Omar Narvaez and The Insult of Numbers

[giacomino]

This was cliff roid, not ronnie.



LOL. Strum's competition seems like Ali's compared to Navarez. Callabero's opposition is pretty bad, but he's unifying the title in his next fight and has beaten quality fighters in Daniel Ponce De Leon and Somsask Sithcawalitch. Navarez hasn't even bothered looking for unification.

Erdei's competition is awful, but it's not worse then Navarez's. It comes close like Sosa, but no way. Navarez's best win is Brian Asholmu and then who? Bernard Inom I guess.

Also Daisuke Naito's and Takefumi Sakata's title defenses aren't as bad as Navarez. Of course it's hard to judge since they haven't had as many, but I'll take quality of opposition in their hometown > bums in another person's hometown.

Narvaez has fought some bums, but he also ko'd Everardo Morales when Morales was considered a pretty decent contender, twice fought future Euro champ Sarritzu in Italy, ko'd longtime Euro champ and highly-rated fly Alexander Mahmutov in France, ko'd future Euro champion Inom in France, easily decisioned Asloum in France, and easily decisioned a solid Columbian, Carlos Tamara, earlier this year. He will likely next take on undefeated American Rayonta Whitfield. Not a HOF pedigree by any means, but not the worst in boxing either

Sakata has had one solid defense (Vasquez) and three mediocre defenses (Kaovichit's nice record is incredibly padded) while Naito had made his reputation from a hometown win and a draw against Wonjongkam, who set a new standard for lame defenses when he was champion.

No one is in a class with Erdei. And Sturm has made defenses against a blown-up junior middleweight (Castillejo), two amateurs (Alcoba and Pittman) and a B level fringe contender in Griffin.

[warp1432]

Narvaez has fought some bums, but he also ko'd Everardo Morales when Morales was considered a pretty decent contender, twice fought future Euro champ Sarritzu in Italy, ko'd longtime Euro champ and highly-rated fly Alexander Mahmutov in France, ko'd future Euro champion Inom in France, easily decisioned Asloum in France, and easily decisioned a solid Columbian, Carlos Tamara, earlier this year. He will likely next take on undefeated American Rayonta Whitfield. Not a HOF pedigree by any means, but not the worst in boxing either

Sakata has had one solid defense (Vasquez) and three mediocre defenses (Kaovichit's nice record is incredibly padded) while Naito had made his reputation from a hometown win and a draw against Wonjongkam, who set a new standard for lame defenses when he was champion.

No one is in a class with Erdei. And Sturm has made defenses against a blown-up junior middleweight (Castillejo), two amateurs (Alcoba and Pittman) and a B level fringe contender in Griffin.

Both of the Wonjonkom fights weren't hometown calls. If anything Naito should have gotten the decision that was a draw against him. Naito beat undefeated Daiki Kameda and then fought a tune up last fight.

Erdei has fought:
-Hugo Gray two times and beat him twice. Gray is now the WBA champ
-Thomas Ulrich (The euro champ)
-Tito Mendoza (guy who gave Jeff Lacy fits)

Sure his resume is garbage, but Navarez's is even worse. Alexander Multonov(sp) was not a highly regraded flyweight at all.

You talk about Strum fighitng a "blown up" castillejo and B level fringe contender griffin, but yet give praise to Navarez for beating a Carlos Tamara, a guy who lost to Givoanni Segura at 108 pounds.

Strum and Erdei might suck, but they are facing some actual top ten contenders from time to time. Wonjongkom has a better resume then Navarez too, even if it's bad.

[giacomino]

Both of the Wonjonkom fights weren't hometown calls. If anything Naito should have gotten the decision that was a draw against him. Naito beat undefeated Daiki Kameda and then fought a tune up last fight.

Erdei has fought:
-Hugo Gray two times and beat him twice. Gray is now the WBA champ
-Thomas Ulrich (The euro champ)
-Tito Mendoza (guy who gave Jeff Lacy fits)

Sure his resume is garbage, but Navarez's is even worse. Alexander Multonov(sp) was not a highly regraded flyweight at all.

You talk about Strum fighitng a "blown up" castillejo and B level fringe contender griffin, but yet give praise to Navarez for beating a Carlos Tamara, a guy who lost to Givoanni Segura at 108 pounds.

Strum and Erdei might suck, but they are facing some actual top ten contenders from time to time. Wonjongkom has a better resume then Navarez too, even if it's bad.

We will just have to disagree on this one.
P.S. Re: Mahmutov "not a highly regarded flyweight at all." He was ranked in the top 10 by all four governing bodies at the time he fought Narvaez, and he was in or near the top 10 for several years. He was ranked No. 2 by the WBO at the time of the fight. He was, at one time, ranked No. 1 by the WBC. Mahmutov was a tough fighter who was at least as good as anyone Wonjongkom ever defended against.