Why is Joe Calzaghes Reply to Pavlik the same? he always brings up Kessler.

[abadger]

Sloppy Joe's plan was to win the fight definitively, clearly and prove that he would have been a match for a prime Hopkins, instead of the old version he shared a ring with who have to fight with a lot of reserve and smarts to compete at all at this age.

He failed.

Landed punches? You mean cuffs and grazes?


Coo. Sure. Sloppy Joe did real well landing that ****. You win.





9 rounds to 3 is bull****. I won't even talk to you about this if you pulling that ****. Joke scoring.

Landed punches? You mean one good one every three rounds?

Hopkins did real well landing that ****, you win.

As for the scoring, you say there's a case for Hopkins winning I'm merely pointing out there's one for Joe winning much more widely.

It goes both ways, my friend.

[TCNŽ SOULJAH]

You obviously don't believe a word of what you have written otherwise you wouldn't feel the need for the tedious highlighting of random words.

If you can count the number of meaningful shots Calzaghe landed on one hand then you can count the number Hopkins landed on one finger. I don't know when inactivity, laziness and rule-bending became fundamentals of good boxing because these were the only areas in which Hopkins bettered Joe.

We had this discussion before, arrogant *****.
Don't tell me what I do and do not believe. Speak for yourself, not others.


You think Hop only landed one clean shot? When he was landing clean shots in almost every round up until late? But you register the crap Joe threw as clean?

You are on another level of blind. You need vision worse than Stevie and Ray put together.

Funniest **** I ever read on this board.



I will go back and rewatch the fight. I will come back tomorrow and identify the times in each round that Hop lands clean.

All you need to do is find the point in the fight where Sloppy Joe ever came close to stopping your boy with his cuffing, grazing, comical bull****.

Deal?

Why did Hopkins waste so much time then?

Hop said he was legitimately low-blowed. But mind games are his speciality too so don't flatter Sloppy Joe by pretending that **** represented any kind of near stoppage situation. Because that's a ****ing joke. Watch the tape.

[TCNŽ SOULJAH]

Landed punches? You mean one good one every three rounds?

Say we just accept that as true for the argument sake.

That's still 1 more than Sloppy Joe was landing every 3 stanzas for most of the fight.





Hop was finding ways to land clean 1 or 2 times in most rounds up until late.

Sloppy Joe was throwing, but you need a mother**** of a loose definition of "landing" to score what he was throwing.

[abadger]

Say we just accept that as true for the argument sake.

That's still 1 more than Sloppy Joe was landing every 3 stanzas for most of the fight.





Hop was finding ways to land clean 1 or 2 times in most rounds up until late.

Sloppy Joe was throwing, but you need a mother**** of a loose definition of "landing" to score what he was throwing.

This really isn't true though TCN. Calzaghe did actually land plenty of clean shots on Hopkins, far more than Hopkins did on him. His problem of course was that he didn't hit hard or straight so they don't catch the eye, and that he did throw and miss a lot, obscuring his good shots. They are there though, and Calzaghe deserved the win.

[TCNŽ SOULJAH]

Calzaghe did actually land plenty of clean shots on Hopkins, far more than Hopkins did on him

far more than Hopkins did on him

he didn't hit hard or straight so they don't catch the eye

Naw. You wrong.
Those were some of the most eye-catchingly comical shots and combinations I ever seened.

But the only thing 99.5% of those wide ass slaps caught of Hop's was the top and back of his head. In a grazing, cuffing way.

In fact. Joe's cleanest punch was 1 of the minority of straight ones he threw if I remember correct.

and he did throw and miss a lot, obscuring his good shots.

Creative spin.

and he did throw and miss a lot, obscuring his good shots. They are there though, and Calzaghe deserved the win.

All I need is Mozza to accept this challange and I'll go rewatch the fight and report back tomorrow.

[abadger]

Naw. You wrong.
Those were some of the most eye-catchingly comical shots and combinations I ever seened.

But the only thing 99.5% of those those wide ass slaps caught of Hop's was the top and back of his head. In a grazing, cuffing way.

In fact. Joe's cleanest punch was 1 of the minority of straight ones he threw if I remember correct.




Creative spin.












All I need is for Mozza to accept this challange and I'll go rewatch the fight and report back tomorrow.

Go rewatch the fight, take your Hopkins goggles off, and you will see that I am correct. Reason being, I am.

[Chunk..]

Calzaghe hides his good punches well. Most of his wins are won on workrate.

[MWMerlino]

Calzaghe isn't used to actually having to pick his shots though since his opposition has been so soft (and completely devoid of counter-punching and head movement) that he easily overwhelms them with his flurries.

I've see too many soft TKO wins in Calzaghe's favor--that Manfredo stoppage was complete bull****.

[abadger]

Calzaghe hides his good punches well. Most of his wins are won on workrate.

It wasn't always like that.

*sighs wistfully for Mario Veit 1 era Calzaghe*

[TCNŽ SOULJAH]

Go rewatch the fight, take your Hopkins goggles off, and you will see that I am correct. Reason being, I am.

No.

You take your Sloppy Joe idolization glasses off and snap into some reality.






If you want to proclaim yourself correct as a statement of fact. I can just as easy do the same.




This fight give a big indication that Joe would have been outclassed by a prime Hop.

You can spin around that. But it don't make it less true.


Even agin this diminished version, Joe struggled and looked BAD.