Why is Joe Calzaghes Reply to Pavlik the same? he always brings up Kessler.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Your kidding right? I guess you were on a different planet when Kessler pulled out of the fight. Why do you think Arthur Abraham got the fight? I dont know Carl much, but I will tell you this, after being ktfo by Kelly Pavlik Taylor forced a rematch. I honestly doubt that Taylor is afraid of Froch.

Kessler didnt pull out the fight cos he was "running" from Miranda. I would suggest it was because Miranda hadnt done **** at 168. Hell Miranda aint done **** his whole career. Sartisan - the guy Kessler fought - is probably better. Kessler had the chance to win his old belt back and probably make a bit more money fighting at home.

Its funny how you see it one way for Kessler but another when Taylor avoids a fight with Froch. Taylor and his team admitted they were taking an easier fight. Im not saying Taylor is afraid or "running". I actually have more respect for fighters than to go around calling them cowards like you do.

[Shanus]

At the end of the day, KESSLER, LACY, HOPKINS, Undefeated, at the end of the day.

Listen, like I said before.

Could you beat Kessler?

[wayno]

Kessler didnt pull out the fight cos he was "running" from Miranda. I would suggest it was because Miranda hadnt done **** at 168. Hell Miranda aint done **** his whole career. Sartisan - the guy Kessler fought - is probably better. Kessler had the chance to win his old belt back and probably make a bit more money fighting at home.

Its funny how you see it one way for Kessler but another when Taylor avoids a fight with Froch. Taylor and his team admitted they were taking an easier fight. Im not saying Taylor is afraid or "running". I actually have more respect for fighters than to go around calling them cowards like you do.

taylors a ***** he knows froch will eat him.lol.

[dstew]

Just curious why did Kessler opt not to fight Taylor and why did he run from Miranda? I personally spoke to Kessler at Pavlik/Taylor II he said he was there to watch Taylor, so he could set up a match with him win or lose. What happened? Then he set up a fight with Miranda, next thing we know he droped out. I like the guy but wtf is going on with him lately.

AFAIK, Kessler/Taylor was never seriously discussed between either camp, so I don't think you can say Kessler "opted not to fight Taylor."

Taylor didnt even have the bollox to fight Carl Froch.

Why would anyone run from Miranda?

You clearly have a double standard when it comes to Taylor and Kessler. Above you accuse Taylor of not having the balls to fight Froch, who is just as unproven if not moreso than Miranda, after Taylor was coming off of two losses, while in the post I quoted below you defend Kessler against claims that he ran from Miranda. You go on to say that Kessler would make more money, get a belt back, and fight closer to home; two of those reasons, money and fighting closer to home, are the same reasons Taylor is fighting Lacy instead of Froch. You then try to act like you aren't accusing Taylor of running from Froch, but how is that any different from saying he "didn't even have the bollox to fight" him? Maybe you were joking?

Also, fighting Miranda would've been far more beneficial to Kessler's career than the bull**** fight against Sartison that 5 people in the U.S. even saw, whereas Miranda would've given him national exposure. Look at what it did for Abraham. On the other hand, Taylor had no such incentive to fight Froch over Lacy in terms of getting better exposure.

I'm not saying Kessler ran from Miranda, but the supporting evidence for his backing out of that fight is far sketchier than what we have seen from Taylor not taking the Froch fight.

Kessler didnt pull out the fight cos he was "running" from Miranda. I would suggest it was because Miranda hadnt done **** at 168. Hell Miranda aint done **** his whole career. Sartisan - the guy Kessler fought - is probably better. Kessler had the chance to win his old belt back and probably make a bit more money fighting at home.

Its funny how you see it one way for Kessler but another when Taylor avoids a fight with Froch. Taylor and his team admitted they were taking an easier fight. Im not saying Taylor is afraid or "running". I actually have more respect for fighters than to go around calling them cowards like you do.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

AFAIK, Kessler/Taylor was never seriously discussed between either camp, so I don't think you can say Kessler "opted not to fight Taylor."




You clearly have a double standard when it comes to Taylor and Kessler. Above you accuse Taylor of not having the balls to fight Froch, who is just as unproven if not moreso than Miranda, after Taylor was coming off of two losses, while in the post I quoted below you defend Kessler against claims that he ran from Miranda. You go on to say that Kessler would make more money, get a belt back, and fight closer to home; two of those reasons, money and fighting closer to home, are the same reasons Taylor is fighting Lacy instead of Froch. You then try to act like you aren't accusing Taylor of running from Froch, but how is that any different from saying he "didn't even have the bollox to fight" him? Maybe you were joking?

Also, fighting Miranda would've been far more beneficial to Kessler's career than the bull**** fight against Sartison that 5 people in the U.S. even saw, whereas Miranda would've given him national exposure. Look at what it did for Abraham. On the other hand, Taylor had no such incentive to fight Froch over Lacy in terms of getting better exposure.

I'm not saying Kessler ran from Miranda, but the supporting evidence for his backing out of that fight is far sketchier than what we have seen from Taylor not taking the Froch fight.

Spot on. I was responding to an idiotic comment. Fighting fire with fire. I should really take the high road but I couldnt resist.

Like I said, I dont tend to accuse fighters of cowardice least not Taylor who's had a pretty tough schedule.

And actually I agree, exposure wise, Kessler wouldve been better served to KO Miranda seeing as Miranda had some false hype thing going on. However, it didnt seem to get Abraham too much closer to a big fight.

Im thinking he wanted the belt cos a belt can equate to leverage in getting big fights. Whereas if he had KOed Miranda, guys like Pavlik could've said "so what?". Unforunately belts also bring enforced mandatories like the one coming up.

Well i disagree about Taylor having little incentive to fight Froch. His first fight at a new weight and he gets a shot at the WBC Strap seems enough incentive for me.

[dstew]

Spot on. I was responding to an idiotic comment. Fighting fire with fire. I should really take the high road but I couldnt resist.

Like I said, I dont tend to accuse fighters of cowardice least not Taylor who's had a pretty tough schedule.

And actually I agree, exposure wise, Kessler wouldve been better served to KO Miranda seeing as Miranda had some false hype thing going on. However, it didnt seem to get Abraham too much closer to a big fight.

Im thinking he wanted the belt cos a belt can equate to leverage in getting big fights. Whereas if he had KOed Miranda, guys like Pavlik could've said "so what?". Unforunately belts also bring enforced mandatories like the one coming up.

Well i disagree about Taylor having little incentive to fight Froch. His first fight at a new weight and he gets a shot at the WBC Strap seems enough incentive for me.

I disagree about AA not getting closer to a big fight; the Miranda KO has been the driving force in all the discussion about a future unification bout with Pavlik. It hasn't happened yet, but if it does then it will largely be a result of that fight. Right now he's got one of those unfortunate mandatories you refer to when talking about Kessler/Haussler.

It sounds like Kessler is getting restless with these mandatories though, and even recall reading one comment he made that he would possible vacate the belts if he couldn't start making meaningful fights. I hope that is the case.

I agree that a belt should be good incentive for Taylor, but also understand his management's decision based on the risk/reward of Froch. They know the mental state of their fighter right now (insecure) and while Froch may be as winnable if not moreso than Lacy, the familiarity of Lacy probably gives Taylor the confidence he needs coming off of two difficult losses. Lacy is probably the closest thing to a tune-up you will ever see Jermain take.

[WESS]

Joe C reply is getting a bit played out he always says Is Pavlik as good as kessler? and then he mentions to pavlik is jermain taylor as good as kessler? he did the same thing to B hop he kept saying is so and so on your resume as good as kessler? and b hop said who is kessler?

No offense Kessler is a good boxer but Joe C is basically saying kessler this and that what for? he acts like Kessler is some kinda ATG legend.

Because to him that is his best win. its funny I know...

and yes it was funny when HOP said "WHO" lol Because its the truth...

I like Kessler too...

[WESS]

Maybe because Kessler is widely regarded as being like a better version of Pavlik? Same basic style, left jab, right hand but bigger, faster and more skilful. It is very hard to look at Pavlik and Kesler objectively and conclude that Pavlik is the better boxer.

lol if you say soooo...

Pav could almost beat Kessler with his heart alone.... As Kessler did with Joe. He will almost give up when Pav beats him down with punches. He will not have the heart to go 12 rounds with a guy that has a 90% KO rate and ****s people up in the ring..... and may I add take a punch or many himself.

Kessler couldn't even handle Joe's punches... What makes you think he can take Pavliks punches????

It would be an awesome fight to see... I like both of them but I've seen PAV get an ass beating and come back to win..... (heart)

Ive seen Kessler get beat up by a "feather fisted pitty pat puncher" with glass hands and that was it..... ummmmm yeaaaaaaaaaaaa

Good fight, but I favor Pav..... even though I like Kessler's boxing style better

I guess we shall see how he handles HOP'S style of "fighting" first.....

Again I favor Pav over Hop. I don't want to, but its the gut feeling... Young guy beats the old guy by just being more active. i don't think Pav will KO Hop.. But If he did we will see a Joe Calzaghe RUN like he has NEVER run before...... Would be interesting to see what he would say or NOT say hahahah.....

[KJB]

He should really bring up Lacy.

It must be like de ja vu having to hear about another Yank Ko Artist who has done very little but apparently is going to destroy him.

There is a very wide margin between Jeff Lacy and Kelly Pavlik, I know it and you know it.
It does get old hearing him bring up Kessler anytime anyone asks him about his legacy OR his future, almost seems like he is banking on Kessler to dominate after he is gone, and then ride his coat tails. Not a very good idea IMO considering we dont really know how well Kessler will stack up against the rest of the elite fighters in and around his division.

[ragingvic]

Kessler didnt pull out the fight cos he was "running" from Miranda. I would suggest it was because Miranda hadnt done **** at 168. Hell Miranda aint done **** his whole career. Sartisan - the guy Kessler fought - is probably better. Kessler had the chance to win his old belt back and probably make a bit more money fighting at home.

Its funny how you see it one way for Kessler but another when Taylor avoids a fight with Froch. Taylor and his team admitted they were taking an easier fight. Im not saying Taylor is afraid or "running". I actually have more respect for fighters than to go around calling them cowards like you do.

Listen up you dumbass. Ill repeat it so you can see what an idiot you are. I said whatever happened to the Kessler/Taylor fight. Then I said I wonder why he ran from Miranda and droped out of the fight. I followed it up with I like the guy but what going on with him.

You said " Taylor didnt even have the bollox to fight Carl Froch". Then you follow it up with I have more respect for fighters. Look at the posts and see who has more repect for fighters you dumbass. Your just pissed cause I called you on Calzaghe in a previous post. "At the end of the day" your boy calzaghe has two options step in the ring with Pavlik and get ktfo or retire undefeated as a "legend killer". Deal with it.