Who wins a fist fight, BJ Penn or Zab Judah?

[KESSLER]

BJ Pen is awesome.. I'm a huge fan. But if you'd trained in MMA, BJJ or any mixed stuff or fought in that and boxing you'd know there is a 100000000 percent skill difference when it comes to striking.

Sorry to burst your bubble. Zab starches him badly inside of two rounds.

Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to go watch Toughman or UFC pathetic display of standup "skills" and leave boxing, K1, or any other real standup stuff to people who understand what they are watching.

It says a fist fight though, so I'm thinking a street fight. I'd go with BJ Penn all the way in a street fight.. But stand up game in MMA is so much different from boxing so Judah wins in a legit boxing fight. But street fight, and with MMA rules - BJ Penn by destruction.

[bsrizpac]

It says a fist fight though, so I'm thinking a street fight. I'd go with BJ Penn all the way in a street fight.. But stand up game in MMA is so much different from boxing so Judah wins in a legit boxing fight. But street fight, and with MMA rules - BJ Penn by destruction.

Wrong.

Street fights don't go to the ground often. This is not Rio. Rogaine, Dana and the Gracies have fed people that crap for years.

What are the conditions of the street fight. In almost every scenario of any actual street fight between these two, Jab Judah hits him about 7 times before Penn can throw a shot. Penn takes him down. Judah's posse proceed to pull Penn off and beat him to death.

That's a "street fight".

Also the MMA standup is "different" is a pathetic excuse concocted by MMA apologists and *******s like Dana White to excuse the complete inability of most grapplers to even grasp basic concepts like throwing straight punches.

[deevel79]

It says a fist fight though, so I'm thinking a street fight. I'd go with BJ Penn all the way in a street fight.. But stand up game in MMA is so much different from boxing so Judah wins in a legit boxing fight. But street fight, and with MMA rules - BJ Penn by destruction.

Exactly.

In a boxing match, it goes to Judah. In a MMA match, BJ Kills him. In a street fight, BJ Kills him!

[rizkybizness]

Wrong.

Street fights don't go to the ground often. This is not Rio. Rogaine, Dana and the Gracies have fed people that crap for years.

What are the conditions of the street fight. In almost every scenario of any actual street fight between these two, Jab Judah hits him about 7 times before Penn can throw a shot. Penn takes him down. Judah's posse proceed to pull Penn off and beat him to death.

That's a "street fight".

Also the MMA standup is "different" is a pathetic excuse concocted by MMA apologists and *******s like Dana White to excuse the complete inability of most grapplers to even grasp basic concepts like throwing straight punches.

lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[deevel79]

Wrong.

Street fights don't go to the ground often. This is not Rio. Rogaine, Dana and the Gracies have fed people that crap for years.

What are the conditions of the street fight. In almost every scenario of any actual street fight between these two, Jab Judah hits him about 7 times before Penn can throw a shot. Penn takes him down. Judah's posse proceed to pull Penn off and beat him to death.

That's a "street fight".

Also the MMA standup is "different" is a pathetic excuse concocted by MMA apologists and *******s like Dana White to excuse the complete inability of most grapplers to even grasp basic concepts like throwing straight punches.

It is different for the fact that as an mma fighter, u have to stand in a way where u can protect yourself from a takedown, kick, knee, etc. In boxing u have to worry about only 1 thing. As an mma artist, u have to worry about several.

[bsrizpac]

It is different for the fact that as an mma fighter, u have to stand in a way where u can protect yourself from a takedown, kick, knee, etc. In boxing u have to worry about only 1 thing. As an mma artist, u have to worry about several.

Yes I am aware having done both. That still doesn't mean MMA striking isn't less than D grade bull****. If you watch a San Shou tournament (and it's not like those guys are high grade athletes either) you can see that that kind of striking doesn't have to be or look like garbage like in most modern UFC branded MMA.

In a street fight Judah always wins unless it goes to the ground. BTW, Penn throws about 2 leg kicks per 5-10 minute round on average. He's not hitting Judah with that cause he's going to sleep way before that. Judah is about 2 billion times faster than Penn.

Sorry but it's true.

Judah would def. lose to Penn in ADCC or BJJ Mundials. Striking it's Judah's world, I don't care about the "extra" things Penn is used to. If more was better in striking, then all the Karate guys from Kim's Karate would be kicking ass taking names standing up in K1.

(And yes I am aware of who Andy Hug is so please don't bring him up)

[KESSLER]

Wrong.

Street fights don't go to the ground often. This is not Rio. Rogaine, Dana and the Gracies have fed people that crap for years.

What are the conditions of the street fight. In almost every scenario of any actual street fight between these two, Jab Judah hits him about 7 times before Penn can throw a shot. Penn takes him down. Judah's posse proceed to pull Penn off and beat him to death.

That's a "street fight".

Also the MMA standup is "different" is a pathetic excuse concocted by MMA apologists and *******s like Dana White to excuse the complete inability of most grapplers to even grasp basic concepts like throwing straight punches.

[deevel79]

Im sorry, but Zab doesnt have the mental capacity or discipline to beat a mma master like BJ Penn. If u see otherwise, then i guess we can just agree to disagree.

[bsrizpac]

Im sorry, but Zab doesnt have the mental capacity or discipline to beat a mma master like BJ Penn. If u see otherwise, then i guess we can just agree to disagree.

It has nothing to do with mental capability. Zab falls apart after 6-7 rounds of boxing. That's much different than a street fight or a standup fight.

In the MMA ring? Sure BJ takes it. No doubt. I never said otherwise. he takes him down and submits him. Not too hard to figure it out.

In boxing or even any standup fighting at all with boxing gloves or mma gloves or bare fist : Zab puts penn into a coma. Very quickly.

In the mythical streetfight scenario Zab wins 90 percent of the time. If they are shirtless on the beach in Rio in Brazil and it goes down like Gracies in Action tapes 1 and 2, then Penn wins. But that scenario is not likely to how it would play out in most situations.

Just saying.

[beardown]

bj eats a punch or two and goes to ground. end of story. easy win for bj. if boxing no chance for bj