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Cotto/Margarito Co-Headline in 09, Rematch in June

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  • #31
    Originally posted by ragingvic View Post
    There is no point in a rematch. The result was destined to happen based on the characterisics of these guys. Honeslty I couldnt understand why everyone had Cotto as the favorite considering he had been hurt against weaker punchers and he was going up against a non stop bomber. Unless Cotto can develop a stronger chin and floyd like footwork he can forget about this one.
    thats not the problem. the problem cotto ran into was he didnt go to the body.

    Cotto tried to keep margarito away by attacking the head and we all knew it wasnt going to work most likely.

    The first half of the fight was as close to a boxing masterpiece as i think we can see from a guy like cotto who isnt known for his boxing ability. He was definately winning the fight...I had him clearly ahead after 6 rounds.

    the problem was cotto was on the bike for 6 rounds which tired him out and then he seen margarito wasnt bending and he eventually walked cotto down and stopped him.

    IF cotto had tied margarito up from time to time in the first half of the fight (to catch a break and be able to control the action and slow it down) and in addition work the body it would have been margarito tired down the stretch and cotto could have won a decision.

    those were his problems...not tying margarito up (to get a break and slow down the pace) and not working the body.

    if he does exactly what he did last time but incorporate those two simple things he can win a decision in my opinion.

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    • #32
      Nice post, Italian. But it's easier said than done. Tying Margarito up might prove difficult, and it might not exert Tony more than Cotto, the sheer strain of having to tangle a big dude like Marg up will wear out Miguel too. But I think if he employs those tactics, yeah it's winnable. I'd still pick Tony though

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      • #33
        Originally posted by HTownTexan View Post
        Why so soon you ask?

        So they can make as much money of off Cotto before he gets exposed again. Then they wont make **** off of him.

        I bet Cotto fights Collazo or some bull**** feather fisted fighter.

        This is how it has been his whole career. Fight some who had a punch, got rocked, then fight feather dusters. Its what Cotto does.
        Come on man Cotto has had an amazing career. Losing to Margarito isnt as bad as some are trying to make it out to be, before that fight most agreed he was THE most talented fighter at WW, and one of the best in the world P4P. Its amazing to me how many are trying to make Cotto out to be a fraud, the guy has an excellent resume and has done awesome things in his career.
        And not that hes the favorite, but if he thinks he can beat Margarito the second time around, I think he has reasons for it. He did do a great job in the first fight, if he could correct a couple of mistakes he could win the rematch. I know thats much easier said than done, but its not impossible by any means.
        As for Lopez, glad to hear they are gonna get him out there. The guy is very exciting and seems to be extremely talented, Id like to see what he can do.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by HTownTexan View Post

          Cotto has always shown in his career that he had a, lets say, vulnerable chin. Did the chicken dance to Torres and Corley. Torres trained for 2 1/2 weeks and wanted a rematch, he never got it. Why? Because of the potential KO was just way too much risk, not enough reward. Then he went on to fight Urkal, Branco, Paulie, Quintana and some others that were feather fisted. Beats a washed up Zab and a no steroid old as hell, shell of his former self Shane.

          Cotto always put his head down with the gloves as ear muffs. But no one was good enough to expose it. Cotto always had a vulnerable chin. But no one was good enough to capitalize on it. People blamed the chin on being at 140, but it is clear that that was not the reason. The reason was because his chin was not that good in the first place. So by these words I just put, Cotto's weaknesses were EXPOSED.

          You cant fight facts, you can only hope they dont come up.

          I have said this since I first joined. I didnt just think this up after the loss.
          When Cotto fought Quintana at WW it was far from an easy fight. Cotto was a career JWW, and Quintana was undefeated, coming off a victory over the hottest prospect in the division.
          Call Judah washed up, but he was two fights removed from being the undisputed champion, and those were competitive decision losses.
          Mosley coming off of wins against Vargas and Collazo, wasnt called washed up or old as **** going into the fight. He was a healthy gym rat his whole life, and was very much a live opponent for Cotto.
          Does Miguel have an iron jaw? No. But he went 32-0 with 26 KOs and fought tons of top comp. Sure the man can be KOed, but is far from "vulnerable" as a fighter. Nothing about Cotto was exposed other than an indestructible machine of a BMF like Margarito can beat him in a tough fight.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Kilrain View Post
            Nice post, Italian. But it's easier said than done. Tying Margarito up might prove difficult, and it might not exert Tony more than Cotto, the sheer strain of having to tangle a big dude like Marg up will wear out Miguel too. But I think if he employs those tactics, yeah it's winnable. I'd still pick Tony though
            i agree with you to an extent...

            since margarito is so much bigger it would be best (and use the least amount of energy) if after cotto worked the body he slipped under margarito arm to force a clinch with minimal effort.

            with or without the clinches the body work is the most important...if cotto would have went to the body early and often enough by the 6/7th round margarito would start to show signs of the body working taking a toll and by the 10th round on it would have been highly apparent and cotto COULD espace with a split decision.

            the problem last time was cotto got on the bike the whole night and didnt work the body nearly enough.

            margarito is one tough guy to get past...he seems to never get hurt or tired...he always keeps coming forward and averages 1200+ punches a fight.

            he's a handful for anyone.

            for margarito to get the same result as last time he would be well served to come in and get back outside behind a jab...this is something he rarely does...he usually walks in and walks out without a jab (or sometimes his hands up).

            i noticed it SEVERAL SEVERAL SEVERAL times against cintron in the rematch but cintron could never capitalize.

            so margarito should work with the jab (even if he doesnt plan to box). If cotto gets on the bike against margarito should not chase him in a circle but rather cut off the ring and trap him against the ropes or in the corner...this is where he can force cotto in a brawl and potentially get to his chin with the least amount of effort (rather than hunt him down).

            i expect the fight to be just as close as the first one.

            It should get a great fight again and i wish best of luck to both.

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            • #36
              Cotto must really think he can win this then.

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              • #37
                I dont see the point of a rematch in this case, you cant get beaten much worse. Probably Cottos pride and he is in denial. He can still get big paydays without taking another beating.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by travi$ View Post
                  Cotto must really think he can win this then.
                  he isn't the only one.....I predicted he would lose by KO to Marg in the first fight, but I see Cotto makin' key adjustments and takin' the rematch........

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                  • #39
                    YAWN. Another battle for 3rd-best welterweight of the world.

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                    • #40
                      I'd go for Cotto for this one. I can see people overrating Marg after the upset.

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