UFC/MMA ARE THEY ALL GLORIFIED TOMATO CANS?:Evans Knocks Out 'The Iceman'

[DanielTurcotte3]

you do realize that in mma the top guys don't fight nobodies right?

his last 4 fights included quinton jackson and wanderlei silva (both top 10 fighters in their division)

jardine is a solid fighter and rashad is 12-0 up and coming young fighter.

it's actually one of the advantages of mma over boxing. they have to fight who their org tells them too and that means who the fans want to see.

16-0-1....................................And wouldnt really call him up n coming anymore. Victories over Liddell and a disputed draw with Tito Ortiz, Ortiz lost a point for holding oto the cage, in myu eyes don't make you up n coming, now you already up. He's explosive, and very smart. He fought a smart fight from the get go. He made Chuck come in and forced Chuck to make mistakes. When he get frustrated, openings start arising from Chuck.

Now, that being said, I would really favor Evans against Griffin. Evans is the real deal, and with his athletisism, natural power and speed, and wrestling ability, Forrest would be in a lot of trouble IMO.

[BlackHat]

One major advantage that Boxing has over MMA right now is that fighters (politics aside) are free to fight whomever they want. With the UFC being by far the biggest org in MMA, their exclusvie contracts prevent fights like Couture/Fedor or Faber/Kid from happening.

It depends, if you're at the top then you have the luxury, but still it depends on your promoter, we cant set politics aside from here, journeymen doesn't have much choice and are forced to fight with short period notice.

[Left Hook Tua]

One major advantage that Boxing has over MMA right now is that fighters (politics aside) are free to fight whomever they want. With the UFC being by far the biggest org in MMA, their exclusvie contracts prevent fights like Couture/Fedor or Faber/Kid from happening.

but people jump orgs a lot. their contracts are short. 5-6 fights usually and in mma that's only 1-2 years.

the japs screwing over the ufc was bad for mma imo.

a pride based in japan and ufc based in america would've been great.

think of it as afc/nfc for mma and having a super bowl type every year of champs vs. champs.

[Left Hook Tua]

16-0-1....................................And wouldnt really call him up n coming anymore. Victories over Liddell and a disputed draw with Tito Ortiz, Ortiz lost a point for holding oto the cage, in myu eyes don't make you up n coming, now you already up. He's explosive, and very smart. He fought a smart fight from the get go. He made Chuck come in and forced Chuck to make mistakes. When he get frustrated, openings start arising from Chuck.

Now, that being said, I would really favor Evans against Griffin. Evans is the real deal, and with his athletisism, natural power and speed, and wrestling ability, Forrest would be in a lot of trouble IMO.

griffin is not the best. he just has a lot of heart.

evans would probably beat forrest but i think lyoto or a healthy mauricio beats him tbh.

[Jimmy Dean]

but people jump orgs a lot. their contracts are short. 5-6 fights usually and in mma that's only 1-2 years.

the japs screwing over the ufc was bad for mma imo.

a pride based in japan and ufc based in america would've been great.

think of it as afc/nfc for mma and having a super bowl type every year of champs vs. champs.

don't know about all this

[Left Hook Tua]

don't know about all this

pride was the ufc of japan. japan's #1 mma org.

ufc bought pride.

after the ufc bought pride they couldn't get a japanese tv contract.

then dream came about to replace pride. funny how an upstart jap company like dream can get a contract but the established brand name pride couldn't......

ufc got screwed big time by the japs. they didn't like dana white.

[Jimmy Dean]

pride was the ufc of japan. japan's #1 mma org.

ufc bought pride.

after the ufc bought pride they couldn't get a japanese tv contract.

then dream came about to replace pride. funny how an upstart jap company like dream can get a contract but the established brand name pride couldn't......

ufc got screwed big time by the japs. they didn't like dana white.

Not many people do like Dana White, but that wasn't what i was getting at.

I was talking about jumping orgs. I can't think of an instance where a fighter voluntarily jumped orgs to make a big fight with the exception of Rampage. Maybe Arlovski.

[Left Hook Tua]

Not many people do like Dana White, but that wasn't what i was getting at.

I was talking about jumping orgs. I can't think of an instance where I fighter voluntarily jumped orgs to make a big fight with the exception of Rampage.

oh.....

people do it all the time. penn did it. wanderlei fought in the ufc before jumping to pride and back to ufc. liddell fought in pride tournament while under ufc contract because dana wanted to see a ufc fighter win pride's grand prix. bustamante , mezger , henderson , coleman , frye , shamrock all left ufc for pride. pride had more money than the ufc back then.

when they sign contracts it's for a certain number of fights when the contract is up they can free agent to another org.

btw quinton didn't jump to the ufc. when ufc bought pride they got all of prides fighters like nogueira , henderson , wanderlei , quinton , crocop , etc.

[Jimmy Dean]

oh.....

people do it all the time. penn did it. wanderlei fought in the ufc before jumping to pride and back to ufc. liddell fought in pride tournament while under ufc contract because dana wanted to see a ufc fighter win pride's grand prix. bustamante , mezger , henderson , coleman , frye , shamrock all left ufc for pride. pride had more money than the ufc back then.

when they sign contracts it's for a certain number of fights when the contract is up they can free agent to another org.

btw quinton didn't jump to the ufc. when ufc bought pride they got all of prides fighters like nogueira , henderson , wanderlei , quinton , crocop , etc.

Rampage jumped. He signed before the UFC bought Pride.

But, that's my point. Fighters don't jump orgs for comp they do it for money. Penn left the UFC over money, same with every other fighter you mentioned as MMA in Japan was much bigger than the US at the time. So the constant shuffling of fighters from org to org doesn't really help big fights get made.

The only fighter I've seen jump to make a big fight is Rampage for Liddell, and Arlovski for Fedor. Randy tried but couldn't get out.

[Jimmy Dean]

pride was the ufc of japan. japan's #1 mma org.

ufc bought pride.

after the ufc bought pride they couldn't get a japanese tv contract.

then dream came about to replace pride. funny how an upstart jap company like dream can get a contract but the established brand name pride couldn't......

ufc got screwed big time by the japs. they didn't like dana white.

Also, Chuck Liddell getting spanked by Rampage over in Pride is a big reason why the UFC doesn't let it's fighters fight in different orgs.

Another reason is that the UFC is huge now. It doesn't need other orgs to get its fighters names out there.