The True P4P List?

[bsrizpac]

just another way to discredit margarito
u know it aint all about boxing skills, being tough plays a whole lot and thats why marg should be in any p4p list
btw in ability alone hopkins shouldt even crack the top 10 he throws 9 punches per round jesus

Way to derail a good thread with your bull**** and nuthugging. Were you dropped on your head as a child?

[LEFTYGUNZZ]

This is why I have had Calderon as my #1 p4p for quite a while.

I saw his last fight and he has good movement but I would not rank him #1 due to his extreme lack of punching power....Lefty

[Kris Silver]

I like this post, you make some good points. When we rank P4P, what are we ranking? If its titles and wins, don't the erm...titles and wins already do that? Or is it relative quality of victories? That does tend to be favourable to those in stronger divisions and fighters are penalised for being the best in a weak one, which might or might not be fair. For me boxing isn't like football where the competition is arranged in such a way that it really exposes who the best is, if anything boxing is the opposite, what with so many titles/ rarity of really meaningful matchups. There is already so much opinion in any P4P list that I, like you, much prefer to use my own judgement when I rank fighters.

I agree with everything you say about horses for courses, and I love the idea of 'Mr. Knockout Man'. I might make a sig of him!

With several belts and less worth of them it certainly makes p4p ranking all the more difficult. The two go hand in hand there. A couple of less belts, more mandatories, unification bouts and p4p ranking would have a lot less different interpretations already, and be clearer defined.

Boxers p4p ranking and reputation should not hang so much on others around them, such as those in their division. If it's a weak division and they beat them all never really looking like losing - boxers are penalised rather then rewarded often. There's guys that have come very close to losing, taken close highly debatable UD's, and gained more rep and p4p points then guys whom have taken clear UD's and never looked like losing. Another area where p4p ranking easily comes un done.

Some material for a Pavlik sig;


Kelly Pavlik - Young, enthusiastic, and bald. Knock-out man.

[bhijae]

Cal
Jmm
Rafa M
Mijares
Vasquez
Pavlik
P Williams
Guzman
Cotto
Margarito

an obvious PAC HATER..

this is why P4P ranks are nothing