My thoughts about british "super star" boxers and americans in general

[MJ406]

Some fighters have big markets overseas. They don't need to leave where the money is. They have the same rationale Americans have. And we no longer are the biggest boxing market. A HW makes a fortune in Germany, as does Abraham. Hatton made a fortune in England. He didn't need to come here, though he did in fact come.

agreed, the better Heavy's aren't in the US I know that much. and Abraham wouldn't sell in the US (he'd need to build his name up) so that's why he stays in Germany.

very true on Hatton, but look at the size of those arena's they can pack in Europe ... didn't 55,000 come to his last fight? I know that's got to significantly help Hatton's revenue .. as the largest Vegas Venue from what i know is 20,000 in capacity.

if the US isn't the biggest boxing market then who is? I'd like to know.

[-Swizzy-]

are you ******ed or something ?

why do you think i compared Cotto fighting in Rico and Mexicans fighting in Mexico to British fighters fighting in Britain did i even mention America

its obvious you can make more cash in America but you are saying Cotto and Vasquez etc came because of the challenge or to prove themselves when in reallity they cant make as much money fighting in Mexico and Rico as British fighters can fighting in Britain and that is more accurate reason to why they go to the States rather than stay and fight in Rico and Mexico

but Calzaghe would still make more money in the states regardless of if he is making enough money in the UK than marg or cotto are in their respective countries. point is, everyone loves money, and if calzgahe knew that there wouldn't be any risk in going to the states for the extra cash, he would have done it along time ago.

[KJB]

I am pointing out the idiocy of saying that a fighter can "keep up" with another when you are trying to say that he can "get close even without landing punches". What is the BOXING VALUE of being close to a fighter if you can't land punches? Tell us.

Ricky had the foot work and foot speed to keep up with Floyd. When Floyd tried to use his legs to get position on Hatton, he was unable to do so. Watch the feet, Hatton "kept up with him". Like Margarito almost caught up to Cotto all night.
There was BOXING VALUE to what he said.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Ricky had the foot work and foot speed to keep up with Floyd. When Floyd tried to use his legs to get position on Hatton, he was unable to do so. Watch the feet, Hatton "kept up with him". Like Margarito almost caught up to Cotto all night.
There was BOXING VALUE to what he said.:

Margarito landed shots on Cotto. Margarito's tactic ended up with Cotto being KO'd. Ricky's 'closing' tactic ended in his own demise.

AGAIN: what is the value of being close if you land no effective punches? What is the value in being close if the closeness results in you eating hard shots?

[abadger]

Why do Americans have this strange assumption that the US is the magical land of plenty where fighters always make more money no matter what the circumstances? It's nonsense.

You make most money where your fans are, which for most of your career is going to be where you live. Hatton made more money in the UK then he would have had he been fighting in the States his whole career. Calzaghe did not go to the States precisely because he could make more money defending in the UK. Kessler chose to win the WBA belt over Sartison rather than fight Miranda because a belt to defend guaranteed him paydays in Denmark.

America has the best market if you are a star there, which is very hard to achieve for Europeans and becoming one would require the fighter not to build a fanbase at home.

[Oriachim]

Joe Calzaghe was in the spotlight after his Jeff Lacy fight in Wales, Hatton had 55,000 fans in GB.

also whats the obsession with ricky hatton dios? two threads and a dozen posts in this thread on him. also you've been told what 6 times 7 times? the reasons for my posts, IT WAS NOT ABOUT MAYWEATHER BUT HOW PAULIE WOULD REACT TO IT! now get the hell out my thread, you clown.

[box2box]

Joe Calzaghe-
Possibly the best fighter to come out of GB. Simply because of his style, trainer and love for the sport. However after 10 years of fighting bums, hes using his win against Jeff Lacy (which got him in the spotlight) to fight hasbeens and maybes. Don't get me wrong, people will always discredit his wins, Jeff at the time would destroy Joe? But now he was a bum and always was a bum. Bernard Hopkins would annhilate him, but now hes just an old man hasbeen... Joe imo is not no 2 lb for lb material, he to me is ranked 5 - 10. He still has a lot to prove into he retires, retiring undefeated is not as important as enchacing your legacy IMO. His slapping style gets criticised a lot, but it can't be all that bad to win 45 fights against some top competition. Like I said, people will always discredit his wins: "Fight Jeff Lacy hes the new Mike Tyson", Joe does so "WTF Jeff was an over-rated bum". Then the same for Mikkel kessler being an over-rated euro bum and Hopkins being an old man. Hopefully he beats Pavlik to enchance his legacy, but people will prob have a reason to discredit that.

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You've kind of overated him and underated him almost in the same breath. Joe is the best we have of the current crop and perhaps the modern era (close with Lewis and Hamed) but there have been plenty better.

Not worth top 5 p4p? 10 years a champion, cleaned out his division and linear champion at 2 weights? And all at 36. In my view that's the best out there other than Pac Man so 2 is the correct spot.

[Oriachim]

You've kind of overated him and underated him almost in the same breath. Joe is the best we have of the current crop and perhaps the modern era (close with Lewis and Hamed) but there have been plenty better.

Not worth top 5 p4p? 10 years a champion, cleaned out his division and linear champion at 2 weights? And all at 36. In my view that's the best out there other than Pac Man so 2 is the correct spot.

Joe was in a time he had a relatively poor division and besides that 10 years of defending his title against who exactly? A few nice names but mainly bums.