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  • Oriachim
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    My thoughts about british "super star" boxers and americans in general

    Ricky Hatton -
    Because of the shambles happening within his team, losing Billy Graham and now Kerry Kayes, I'm starting to wonder, is Ricky Hatton coming to an end? One loss and it seems everyone is blaming each other, mainly Ray Hatton. I will be the first to say, Ricky Hatton is my idol, but I believe he was slightly over-hyped by the british. He still though is an elite fighter but near the bottom of elite fighters. However is Hattons time come to an end? He should beat Magic Man easily, don't forget that Hatton had no trouble keeping up with Mayweather... It was Mayweathers inside/defence that cause problems, will Magic Man cause the same problems? Doubt it. If Ricky costs me 30,000 points because he can't sort his life out, then I'll hire a real hitman haha. Just kidding but as sad as it makes me to say, he really is on the decline but is still IMO the no 1 LWW into taken down, and it won't be Paulie, Manny or Amir to do so.

    Joe Calzaghe-
    Possibly the best fighter to come out of GB. Simply because of his style, trainer and love for the sport. However after 10 years of fighting bums, hes using his win against Jeff Lacy (which got him in the spotlight) to fight hasbeens and maybes. Don't get me wrong, people will always discredit his wins, Jeff at the time would destroy Joe? But now he was a bum and always was a bum. Bernard Hopkins would annhilate him, but now hes just an old man hasbeen... Joe imo is not no 2 lb for lb material, he to me is ranked 5 - 10. He still has a lot to prove into he retires, retiring undefeated is not as important as enchacing your legacy IMO. His slapping style gets criticised a lot, but it can't be all that bad to win 45 fights against some top competition. Like I said, people will always discredit his wins: "Fight Jeff Lacy hes the new Mike Tyson", Joe does so "WTF Jeff was an over-rated bum". Then the same for Mikkel kessler being an over-rated euro bum and Hopkins being an old man. Hopefully he beats Pavlik to enchance his legacy, but people will prob have a reason to discredit that.

    Amir Khan-
    This guy winds me up. I'll be honest, Amir Khan got me into boxing when I was casual, however now I'm a hardcore boxer I consider Amir Khan a joke. He hasn;t even won a british title, and hes going PPV. Frank Warren knows Amir Khan is over-hyped and is using hype to call out casual boxing fans like me to pay to view Amir. He has many flaws, like his chin and defence yet he calls out the elite fighters, insulting them. Also he wants to improve himself yet he calls out an amateur trainer. Don't get me wrong, Rubio is a fantasic trainer at international... Amateur Level. Rubio will train Amir like an amateur, amateur and pro is a massive difference. He simply called Rubio because Rubio was the only trainer willing to go to england. (why not after he lost his no 1 prize fighter Gamboa?)

    David Haye -
    Hes got a mouth, but can he walk the talk? Hes a great fighter who I haven't studied very much so I'm not going to talk much. All I will say is, jumping up weights then calling out the no 1 fighter is risky. If he loses then he will be labelled another british bum.

    America complain that brits never leave england, but why on earth should we? They don't leave America. America is NOT the country of boxing it once was. Almost every country out-talents them. the fact GB is a small country with 4? world champions while America have 1 bronze medal with a squad of 12 olympians proves my point otherwise..

    America should have to come to england to prove themself! Please don't give me red k, as I am flaming my own countrys boxers rather than just over-hyping them.
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    Nice subjective article on British boxers for once by someone i assume is British themselves?

    Everyone in this country is so blinded by patriotism that they think Hatton/Kahn actually have a chance against the top p4p fighters.

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    • Silencers
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      On Hatton:

      Good points but Mayweather gave Hatton a lot of problems on the outside, he was hitting Hatton with straight rights and jabs, Lazcano even managed to give Hatton some problems on the outside, Malignaggi's movement and speed will give Hatton trouble although I think Hatton will win because of Malignaggi's lack of power, he doesn't have the power to keep Hatton off him.

      Mayweather also seemed to not move around as much because he decided not to, not really because of Hatton's pressure, Mayweather decided to stand on the inside and pick Hatton off.

      On Calzaghe:

      Calzaghe is pound for pound number 2 right now IMO and some of the things said about him are unnecessary, I also hope he fights Pavlik sometime next year if they both win their upcoming fights.

      On Khan:

      I agree with pretty much everything but we shouldn't be so fast to criticize his choice in trainers, maybe Rubio will be a good fit for him, we won't know until his next fight or even his next few fights, although I also do think he picked Rubio mainly because he was the only one willing to travel over to England to train him.

      Haye:

      He is a very athletic fighter, I wouldn't call him great, he's a good fighter. I want to see him in fight a live body in his first fight at heavyweight.

      American talent may not be once they once were but it is still the place where fighters go and get recognized to a wider audience worldwide.

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      • Oriachim
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        #4
        Originally posted by MBerrido
        Nice subjective article on British boxers for once by someone i assume is British themselves?

        Everyone in this country is so blinded by patriotism that they think Hatton/Kahn actually have a chance against the top p4p fighters.
        Yes I am british.

        Maybe I should rename this thread to a more suiting name? Maybe "All americans suck, brits rule" or something gay like that. Seems 25 views in 2 hours is pretty poor for my likings.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Oriachim
          don't forget that Hatton had no trouble keeping up with Mayweather... .
          What do you mean by this statement? Please clarify.

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          • Oriachim
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            #6
            Originally posted by MBerrido
            Nice subjective article on British boxers for once by someone i assume is British themselves?

            Everyone in this country is so blinded by patriotism that they think Hatton/Kahn actually have a chance against the top p4p fighters.
            Originally posted by DIOS DOMINICANO
            What do you mean by this statement? Please clarify.
            As in, hatton moving forward was fast enough to keep up with Mayweather moving backwards and jabbing. (still mayweathers defence was to tight for him, just Hatton was faster going forward than mayweather going backwards).

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            • DIOS DOMINICANO
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              #7
              Originally posted by Oriachim
              As in, hatton moving forward was fast enough to keep up with Mayweather moving backwards and jabbing. (still mayweathers defence was to tight for him, just Hatton was faster going forward than mayweather going backwards).
              That seems to be 1000% irrelevant. There ae about eleventy billion fighters who can move FORWARD as fast as Mayweather can move BACKWARDS. That is not a boxing indicator.

              The question is : can you land effective punches on Mayweather? So, please. Tell me when Hatton was landing effective punches on Mayweather, and I'll post the rounds that you are about to mention. Thanks in advance.

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              • T-97
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                #8
                Originally posted by DIOS DOMINICANO
                That seems to be 1000% irrelevant. There ae about eleventy billion fighters who can move FORWARD as fast as Mayweather can move BACKWARDS. That is not a boxing indicator.

                The question is : can you land effective punches on Mayweather? So, please. Tell me when Hatton was landing effective punches on Mayweather, and I'll post the rounds that you are about to mention. Thanks in advance.
                FFS, He didn't mention punches He meant he could get close to Mayweather.

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                • Oriachim
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by T-97
                  FFS, He didn't mention punches He meant he could get close to Mayweather.
                  I know hes a fool, I just typed up an article ranting how Ricky Hatton is my role model but over-rated, decling and how Mayweather clearly roasted him, yet hes bitching that I said Hatton could keep up with Mayweather?

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                  • DIOS DOMINICANO
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by T-97
                    FFS, He didn't mention punches He meant he could get close to Mayweather.
                    This is a boxing forum. We talk , er, BOXING. What is the BOXING relevance of "getting close" to a fighter if you can't land any punches?

                    Please tell me.

                    In fact, aren't you better served NOT to be close to a fighter if you land zero on him, but he is landing hard shots on you.

                    Again, this is a BOXING forum.

                    FFS.

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