Manny Pacquiao: Has He Sold Out ? and Is He Really The Best Pound For Pound?

[Ryn0]

The article goes out of it's way to discredit Pacquiao. Pacquiao at Super Feather faced all comers regardless of whether he almost lost or not. Mayweather despite being the better skilled fighter did not at 140 or 147. Pacquiao has also jumped up further in weight than Mayweather and it can be argued that Featherweight was where he was his greatest. It fails to state that in Mayweathers weight class at the time of retirement. He hadn't fought a legitimate threat in a long time. Hatton was coming up and was almost beaten by Collazo the last time he did, Oscar was old, Zab had just lost to a jouneyman and Baldomir is hardly the stuff of legend. There were threats like Margarito, Cotto, Cintron, Williams all of which Mayweather could have beaten but never deemed the risk/reward factor high enough.

While it's obvious Pac-man is no Mayweather in terms of over all skills he does have a willingness to face all comers something Mayweather lacked at the P4P number 1.

[Horus]

The article goes out of it's way to discredit Pacquiao. Pacquiao at Super Feather faced all comers regardless of whether he almost lost or not. Mayweather despite being the better skilled fighter did not at 140 or 147. Pacquiao has also jumped up further in weight than Mayweather and it can be argued that Featherweight was where he was his greatest. It fails to state that in Mayweathers weight class at the time of retirement. He hadn't fought a legitimate threat in a long time. Hatton was coming up and was almost beaten by Collazo the last time he did, Oscar was old, Zab had just lost to a jouneyman and Baldomir is hardly the stuff of legend. There were threats like Margarito, Cotto, Cintron, Williams all of which Mayweather could have beaten but never deemed the risk/reward factor high enough.

While it's obvious Pac-man is no Mayweather in terms of over all skills he does have a willingness to face all comers something Mayweather lacked at the P4P number 1.

Ryno While we are Coalition Brothers...I have to disagree with you.

Instead of Getting into a long winded Debate...

I will ask you Two Questions:

How Many Undefeated Fighters or Prime Fighters Has Manny Fought in their Primes if he fought All Challenger's... (Guzman)

How Many Nobodies Does he has on his resume compared to Floyd?

[BlackHat]

True.....especially the part that states Pac has yet to beat JMM convincingly!

Ryno While we are Coalition Brothers...I have to disagree with you.

Instead of Getting into a long winded Debate...

I will ask you Two Questions:

How Many Undefeated Fighters or Prime Fighters Has Manny Fought in their Primes if he fought All Challenger's... (Guzman)

How Many Nobodies Does he has on his resume compared to Floyd?

So guys, who's your no.1 p4p? and why? don't tell me that it should be vacant otherwise there should be no list at all.

[tredh]

Mayweather has had controversial wins too.

Pac is easily the best p4p fighter in boxing today.

Name them the only fight and its not controversial to some is Castillo I. So please name the others since you made "wins" plural.

[El Jesus]

article is trash. nothing else to say.

[Left Hook Tua]

MANNY PACQUIAO: IS HE REALLY THE BEST POUND FOR POUND?
By Michael Herron

It seems the boxing world has bought into Larry Merchant and HBO's insistence that Pacquiao is the best pound for pound fighter in boxing. Yes, Pacquiao is an exciting fighter but are his accomplishments and performances in the ring really up to pound for pound standards? His claim to the top spot, in my opinion, is largely based on wins over Erik Morales and Marco Antonio Barrera. Truth is, only his first fight with Barrera is representative of a top pound for pound performance (which I describe as beating the best while they are the best). Let’s not forget he lost his first fight with Morales and only beat him after Morales lost to Zahir Raheem. By the time of the rematch Morales was a shot fighter, and the third fight was just unnecessary. In addition, the Barrera rematch was also unnecessary as Barrera was also far past his prime.

Looking closer at Pacquiao it seems that whenever he has a not so great performance in the ring his next fight is usually against an opponent that will make him look good. After his draw with Marquez, he went and beat up on Fahsan 3K battery; after his loss to Morales, he was matched against an average Hector Velasquez; and finally, after his controversial rematch with Marquez, he faced a mild threat against David Diaz. The point of the soft touches is to keep our friend Larry Merchant, HBO, and Pacquiao’s voracious fan base convinced that “Pacman” is the best.

The biggest problem is that a top pound for pound fighter should be able to distinguish himself as the best fighter in and around his natural weight class. After two controversial fights with Juan Manuel Marquez, Pacquiao has not proven that he is the better fighter. Many fans, scribes, and boxing analysis agree that Marquez should be 2-0 against Pacquiao. This, in my opinion, is a glaring inconsistency.

The most recent pound for pound champion, Floyd Mayweather, Jr. has often been criticized for his performance in his first fight with Castillo. To solidify his status, however, he immediately rematches Castillo and beat him convincingly. Pacquiao, on the other hand, seems to get a free pass from critics even though he has not beaten Marquez convincingly! So the question is, why is/was Mayweather’s first fight with Castillo constantly brought up in regards to casting doubt toward his pound for pound standings, yet these same critics are willing to disregard Pacquiao’s poor outings versus Marquez?

And finally in this pound for pound argument, how can the boxing world ignore the fact that Pacquiao has feasted on Mexican fighters who by culture and tradition tend to fight in the same style? Pacquiao, it must be stated, has beaten no top American fighters and has squared off with no pure boxers; in particular, Black fighters--Latin, African, or American. Names that immediately come to mind are Joan Guzman, Nate Campbell, Joel Casamayor, Zahir Raheem, and even Floyd Mayweather, Jr. [Editor's note: Pacquiao was never in the same weight class at any time with Mayweather and had no real opportunity to fight him.

To to end this argument, I'll give Pacquiao credit as the pound for pound most exciting fighter in boxing, but definitely not the pound for pound best fighter. Now I wouldn't say Marquez is the best pound for pound but as far as skills are concerned he should be rated higher than Pacquiao; and if he beats Casamayor, it will confirm it for me. My suggestion is that the top pound for pound spot remain vacant unless a true pound for pound fighter emerges or Floyd Mayweather, Jr. returns triumphantly to the sport.

when has a ratings system ever had a vacant spot?

there's no p4p champ. they just rate them 1-10. how can you rate people 2-10 and not have a 1?

[Left Hook Tua]

Who can ever beat JMM convincingly? His opponents can only pray for an eeked out win.

jmm is undefeated!!!!!!!!!!!!

jmm should be #1!!!!!!!!!!!!!

he's beaten manny twice. he beat a close to prime barrera.

he's beaten other good to great fighters like norwood , john , medina , gainer , juarez , etc.

he'd have beaten hamed and erik too if they hadn't ducked him.

marquez is no. 1 p4p!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BlackHat]

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!:

[El Dominicano]

why is it that only Floyd fans have been posting this article?

Cortdawg25

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205289

flodistheshizle

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205466&highlight=Pacquiao

The article so flagrantly bias, its a wonder anyone would even allow it to see the light of day.

Think about the article man. It isn't bias and I disagree with TWO things. One that he should be 2-0 Cuz I believe the 1st fight was a DRAW and JMM won the 2nd fight by 3 rounds. Two I disagree in that Pac shouldn't be the number 1 P4P becuz I believe he should.

[tredh]

I don't really think the article is biased. To me every fighters career can be critizied at some point. Manny has not had a perfect career.