Manny Pacquiao: Has He Sold Out ? and Is He Really The Best Pound For Pound?

[Boofdatruth]

Let me spell it out for you Boof

Calzaghe won his title from Eubank who was not ranked the #1supermiddleweight at the time. Calzaghe himself has never been ranked #1 supermiddleweight until the last year and a half of his over 10yr reign. How can you say his competiton is better than Pacquiao?? You dont reign as a world champ for 8yrs and not even be considered the best fighter in your own division for no reason.

Meanwhile Pac won his 112belt from sasakul who had been ranked #1 in the division by ring mag for a whole year beforehand. won his 122 belt from ledwaba who was the #1 ranked superbantam at the time. Oscar Larios former featherweight titleholder. Holds a victory over Israel Vasquez who is ranked 5th p4p currently by ring mag.

Yes boof. that competiton is really far more suspect than Calzaghe's

You keep talking about who is ranking Cal. Any sane fan who believes Cal was only the best supermiddle for a year and a half can take a walk off a bridge. Cal has been the best super middle for years. You can point out some dubious ranking from some magazine, but fans don't go for that jive. You never even seen Sassakul fight, and Pac lost to 2 lesser man than Sasakul, right? lol. Larios was another shot fighter PAc faced. Sorry, but after the big 3, the comp is decent at best.

[Boofdatruth]

Actually I dont believe at all that Diaz is a far higher calibur fighter than Guzman. Personally i think Diaz is the most overrated fighter today. But i was trying to prove a point with facts, not ridiculous double standards and opinions. I do believe Diaz has faced far better competition between the 2 as well as have a size advantage, thus posing a bigger threat. And if Pac wasnt afraid of a guy who damn near unified a whole division in his prime then there is no reason he would be afraid of Guzman which boof fails to accept.

And besides...we're only now rounding out the 2nd year of Guzman being a credible opponent for Pac whereas Calzaghe spent the good majority of a decade not fighting the best in his own division which boof cites that all those defenses in a 8yr time span as better competition than Pac has faced and calls Pac a fraud for not facing valero or guzman

I've never said PAc was afraid of anyone. He didn't fight those 2 guys is my point. I'm asking why, and people say there was no money in those fights. These are the same people who call Floyd a coward when he says the same thing.

[shadeyfizzle]

You keep talking about who is ranking Cal. Any sane fan who believes Cal was only the best supermiddle for a year and a half can take a walk off a bridge. Cal has been the best super middle for years. You can point out some dubious ranking from some magazine, but fans don't go for that jive. You never even seen Sassakul fight, and Pac lost to 2 lesser man than Sasakul, right? lol. Larios was another shot fighter PAc faced. Sorry, but after the big 3, the comp is decent at best.

Pac lost to 2 lesser men at age 19. An age whe Cal was getting handed losses in the amateurs as well. but fine we'll play it your way. Tell me boof... what are Calzaghe's 3 biggest wins??

[shadeyfizzle]

I've never said PAc was afraid of anyone. He didn't fight those 2 guys is my point. I'm asking why, and people say there was no money in those fights. These are the same people who call Floyd a coward when he says the same thing.

You're the one saying you cant go off fights that were never made and i've never questioned floyd about not fighting Marg or Cotto so those arguments are irrelevent. My point is no matter how you slice it Pac has always faced the best. The best in his own weight the weight below, the weight above it doesnt matter. You question Pac's competition but u'd be a fool if you didnt consider a past prime Barrera and Marquez the best 130 had to offer at the time. In fact you couldnt name anyone that you'd consider the best at any given division that Pac didnt face.

Jones, Toney, Hopkins, Wright, Taylor were all much more highly talented more highly regarded fighters all in the area but Joe fought Robin Reid and 2 contender runner ups

[Bogler]

I've never said PAc was afraid of anyone. He didn't fight those 2 guys is my point. I'm asking why, and people say there was no money in those fights. These are the same people who call Floyd a coward when he says the same thing.

damn boof ur just reading it off from boxrec w/o knowing the situation at that time. how can he fight valero when valero got only clearance to fight in the US this year and only in texas? no one's giving a **** about valero at that time, not even the mab/erik/jmm, he's been fighting bums.

why u not ragging any of the 3Ms not fighting or unifying w/ guzman at 130? mab had the wbc belt first, then jmm. and it's documented that jmm flatly said he wanted no part of guzman, why bash pac only? pac gave mab his rematch which many still believe mab had a good chance, blaming the campfires and metal plate in his head for the 1st loss. guzman's notable win at these times was a SD against barrios only.

really boof, im sure u have an idea about all these circumstances if you say you've really followed your boxing, but you just keep turning a blind eye because u just want to bash pac.

[bp4pbjr]

Yeah, pick the old Cal to battle a prime PAc at 168, genius lol.

so based on what you have said calzaghe's fight against Hopkins and now Jones will be discredited because they are out of their prime

[PsYcHoDaD]

damn boof ur just reading it off from boxrec w/o knowing the situation at that time. how can he fight valero when valero got only clearance to fight in the US this year and only in texas? no one's giving a **** about valero at that time, not even the mab/erik/jmm, he's been fighting bums.

why u not ragging any of the 3Ms not fighting or unifying w/ guzman at 130? mab had the wbc belt first, then jmm. and it's documented that jmm flatly said he wanted no part of guzman, why bash pac only? pac gave mab his rematch which many still believe mab had a good chance, blaming the campfires and metal plate in his head for the 1st loss. guzman's notable win at these times was a SD against barrios only.

really boof, im sure u have an idea about all these circumstances if you say you've really followed your boxing, but you just keep turning a blind eye because u just want to bash pac.

He beats Ovarated Barrios on split decision that could have gone either way .Pot shots Soto for 12 rounds running away ala mayweather and now he is some kind of unstopable monster or something .He looses Set 13 dont worry .

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Manny Pacquiao: Has He Sold Out ? and Is He Really The Best Pound For Pound?

MANNY PACQUIAO: IS HE REALLY THE BEST POUND FOR POUND?
By Michael Herron

It seems the boxing world has bought into Larry Merchant and HBO's insistence that Pacquiao is the best pound for pound fighter in boxing. Yes, Pacquiao is an exciting fighter but are his accomplishments and performances in the ring really up to pound for pound standards? His claim to the top spot, in my opinion, is largely based on wins over Erik Morales and Marco Antonio Barrera. Truth is, only his first fight with Barrera is representative of a top pound for pound performance (which I describe as beating the best while they are the best). Let’s not forget he lost his first fight with Morales and only beat him after Morales lost to Zahir Raheem. By the time of the rematch Morales was a shot fighter, and the third fight was just unnecessary. In addition, the Barrera rematch was also unnecessary as Barrera was also far past his prime.

Looking closer at Pacquiao it seems that whenever he has a not so great performance in the ring his next fight is usually against an opponent that will make him look good. After his draw with Marquez, he went and beat up on Fahsan 3K battery; after his loss to Morales, he was matched against an average Hector Velasquez; and finally, after his controversial rematch with Marquez, he faced a mild threat against David Diaz. The point of the soft touches is to keep our friend Larry Merchant, HBO, and Pacquiao’s voracious fan base convinced that “Pacman” is the best.

The biggest problem is that a top pound for pound fighter should be able to distinguish himself as the best fighter in and around his natural weight class. After two controversial fights with Juan Manuel Marquez, Pacquiao has not proven that he is the better fighter. Many fans, scribes, and boxing analysis agree that Marquez should be 2-0 against Pacquiao. This, in my opinion, is a glaring inconsistency.

The most recent pound for pound champion, Floyd Mayweather, Jr. has often been criticized for his performance in his first fight with Castillo. To solidify his status, however, he immediately rematches Castillo and beat him convincingly. Pacquiao, on the other hand, seems to get a free pass from critics even though he has not beaten Marquez convincingly! So the question is, why is/was Mayweather’s first fight with Castillo constantly brought up in regards to casting doubt toward his pound for pound standings, yet these same critics are willing to disregard Pacquiao’s poor outings versus Marquez?

And finally in this pound for pound argument, how can the boxing world ignore the fact that Pacquiao has feasted on Mexican fighters who by culture and tradition tend to fight in the same style? Pacquiao, it must be stated, has beaten no top American fighters and has squared off with no pure boxers; in particular, Black fighters--Latin, African, or American. Names that immediately come to mind are Joan Guzman, Nate Campbell, Joel Casamayor, Zahir Raheem, and even Floyd Mayweather, Jr. [Editor's note: Pacquiao was never in the same weight class at any time with Mayweather and had no real opportunity to fight him.

To to end this argument, I'll give Pacquiao credit as the pound for pound most exciting fighter in boxing, but definitely not the pound for pound best fighter. Now I wouldn't say Marquez is the best pound for pound but as far as skills are concerned he should be rated higher than Pacquiao; and if he beats Casamayor, it will confirm it for me. My suggestion is that the top pound for pound spot remain vacant unless a true pound for pound fighter emerges or Floyd Mayweather, Jr. returns triumphantly to the sport.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

'our fighter who art in retirement, money be thy name, thy ppv come, thy will be done.....'






The masses have gathered...please re-open the Church of Floyd

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why is it that only Floyd fans have been posting this article?

Cortdawg25

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205289

flodistheshizle

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205466&highlight=Pacquiao

The article so flagrantly bias, its a wonder anyone would even allow it to see the light of day.