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I voted Past Joe
The younger, prime version of Calzaghe had the power to KO glass chin Jones.
The younger, prime version of Calzaghe had the power to KO glass chin Jones.
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I think the differences are being exaggerated somewhat. His power wasn't significantly better say 6 years ago, and his intelligence and tactics aren't significantly better now. Therefore I haven't voted citing the mere 3 options as ill fitting.
The Calzaghe against Mitchell showed signs he could pauze and change his game to suite, be it rough it up or select your shots for a bit. Then again the Joe against Lacy showed real confidence in his ability, he danced around, ducked, weaved, spun, flurried and used some power to keep the respect there. So either of those are competitive and close for Roy, still underdog but a good shot.Comment
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young one might plant him.
Old one might make it more competitive but he won't outbox prime Roy.Comment
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Really? Not claiming to be a Joe expert but from what I have seen he hit decidedly harder back in the day. I take the point about ring intelligence though, he probably always had that, he has just had to use it more recently. Which would you pick though Kris, if one had to go up against Roy in 1995?Comment
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Well, he hit a fair bit harder yes, but he's not got one punch KO power for most opponents (some of course possible but unlikely). He still has a fair bit of that power but I think he literally cannot use it. Even now most of his fights he's getting injuries to his hands hindering him during and post fight. If he hit as hard as he did, in the same way, the ratio of him injuring, breaking a hand and going one handed would be like 80%, imagine that. So it's not that he's lost it, it's a case of he's been forced to adapt around that. I think that adds to him as a fighter but with that same power, I think he'd be incredible, and I'd thus say todays Joe. But as it is his hands are dodgey as **** now, less power so it roughly balances out.
As much as it's lovely to pick a specific age or year of a fighter as to when most likely to beat someone, I just don't feel it's something to predict with much accuracy. The fights would just go in different ways most likely, as a result of the mentality, skill set, styles of them not only that year, but night, plus by the minute in their adaptability. This is what I'm talking about, with such un predictable fighters capable of a few styles and not one dimensional, it's just impossible to really say.
Still, at a push I'd say Calzaghe around the Lacy time, as his hands were just recovered and stable after a bad bout of injuries and other problems. He was digging deep at this time in terms of finding new confidence, styles, moving very well, using some power and well. It was only 3 years before that he performed cleverly, and toughly against Mitchell though, so really any time in between 2003 and 2006 I think he'd be well prepared and set up for facing Roy and in with a good shot. That's all I could say off hand.Comment
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both get an ass beating......... end of thread!Comment
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