Why is Calzaghe hardest fights over Old Men (Eubank and Hopkins)

[Stickman]

The fact that people argue over who the hardiest fighter was/is explains it all. Grandpa Hop gave him a tough fight. You can watch Joe and his fathers face in the last few rounds and you will see a look of defeat. Joe didn't think he won anything that night. He was embarrassed and and knew he looked like a joke.

It would have been wrong for America to "give" Hop the win but the fact that one must defend his win by saying "he landed more punches than anyone else" does not prove that Joe was the winner or anything for that matter.

Joe in fact "landed" more "punches" but he played tag and "touched" Hop slightly more. A draw would have been more understanding but the outcome was the right one.

This "was" Joe's hardiest fight and "BEST" opponent in his entire career.

Hopkins was beginning to fad badly, late, as evidenced by the extended break he took after the "low blow" claim (wasn't even close to being low). I still can't believe the ref let him get away with that ****. Still, Hopkins is tough, smart, will do whatever it takes to win, and it's no surprise the fight was as ugly as it was, or that Hopkins fans (and Hopkins himself) still claim he was the "real winner" of that fight. If he hadn't gotten the breather from the ref, I think it's possible he'd have gassed badly enough to be stopped. Maybe not likely, but a possibility, which is why I have Pavlik by late stoppage in their upcoming fight. His workrate is similar to Calzaghe's, but he throws nearly every punch with serious intent. He's big, strong, young, in fantastic shape, and while not necessarily an imaginative boxer, he's steady, consistant, decently skilled, and has a heart the size of a VW. I'll eat a pair of my own undershorts if he doesn't stop Bernard after the 8th. The one caveat to this is that if Hopkins gets himself disqualified (which is a distinct possibility...he'd probably elect this course and end the fight on his feet rather than be stopped by a "white boy"), then all bets are off.

[Addition]

Eubank was a fraud, and Calzaghe avoided fighters in their prime like Hopkins because they would have beat him up and there would have been no daylight robbery. legend killer my arse, RJJ would have decapitated him at any point before the 2nd Tarver fight.

Hopkins priced himself out of a fight with Calzaghe.

[WESS]

Hopkins was beginning to fad badly, late, as evidenced by the extended break he took after the "low blow" claim (wasn't even close to being low). I still can't believe the ref let him get away with that ****. Still, Hopkins is tough, smart, will do whatever it takes to win, and it's no surprise the fight was as ugly as it was, or that Hopkins fans (and Hopkins himself) still claim he was the "real winner" of that fight. If he hadn't gotten the breather from the ref, I think it's possible he'd have gassed badly enough to be stopped. Maybe not likely, but a possibility, which is why I have Pavlik by late stoppage in their upcoming fight. His workrate is similar to Calzaghe's, but he throws nearly every punch with serious intent. He's big, strong, young, in fantastic shape, and while not necessarily an imaginative boxer, he's steady, consistant, decently skilled, and has a heart the size of a VW. I'll eat a pair of my own undershorts if he doesn't stop Bernard after the 8th. The one caveat to this is that if Hopkins gets himself disqualified (which is a distinct possibility...he'd probably elect this course and end the fight on his feet rather than be stopped by a "white boy"), then all bets are off.

You know, I thought about that. If HOP thinks he will lose or get KO'ed I wondered if he would get himself DQ'ed. That way there is room for argument and neither guy would have really "lost" and i'm sure PAV would have backing to go after Calzaghe. Both guys would win. Hop could say he never really lost and PAV could say he won....

It would be a win win IMO. It would be sad and I would be pissed but I do see the reasoning behind it. I hope this doesn't happen and I doubt it would but I see reasons for it.

I like both guys and it will be hard to see them face each other. I have it PAV by UD maybe a late TKO/stoppage but i'm leaning more towards the UD

[Chunk..]

Robin Reid was Calzaghe's hardest fight.

[ferocity]

Once he defeats Jones jr. He needs to defeat the winner of Tarver v. Dawson then he can retire on top.

[them_apples]

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/BN08....asp?c=19&s=18

Calzaghe himself hype Kessler up, how ****ing funny.

This was before he fought Hopkins



This is after he fought Hopkins


He said himself that Hopkins was his hardest fight and that he was hurt against old man Hopkins, why Kessler was hurt from a Calzaghe body shot which says a lot.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/apr/20/boxing.kevinmitchell

THE REASON LACY OR KESSLER IS NOT CALZAGHE BEST WINS ARE SIMPLE. THEY WERE UNPROVEN FIGHTERS WHO HAVE NOT BEATEN NO GOOD FIGHTER. BUT OLD PROVEN MEN SUCH AS EUBANK AND HOPKINS BOTH GAVE HIM HIS HARDEST FIGHT. THERE IS A REASON WHY

The only people that think Kessler is good are Zaghe fans..If Kessler was so good he wuld have beat Zaghe, because Hopkins pretty much did at 43 years of age.

Lacy and Kessler both have beat nobody to even be considered good.

[Pullcounter]

Because they're good?

because calzaghe isn't that good?

[Pullcounter]

Once he defeats Jones jr. He needs to defeat the winner of Tarver v. Dawson then he can retire on top.

and fight pavlik then retire on top.

[Flawless 2]

Bump this great thread for greatjoe

[Pullcounter]

Any other reason to hate the guy other than an unappealin style and beatin people fans don't approve of?

How about wasting away his whole career in europe and ducking johnson 3x?