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Vitali Klitschko: "I'll Knock Sam Peter Out Within Six"
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Originally posted by edgarg View PostI'm surprised that a boxing fan who's been on this boead since 2004 wouldhold such unformed opinions. Every word I wrote was amply corroborated by Manny Steward, almost in the very same terms. The punch that nearly KD Peter was nothing out of the ordinary, and the big palooka was KD 3 times by light hitting Jameel McCline, in the very early rounds, not when "he was tired".
For you to think that "Vitaly isn't the offensive machine....etc" I have to say you really don't know what you are saying. V Klirschko is one of the most accurate punchers I've ever seen, and is a thoroughly devastating finisher. He's like a hunting tiger in the ring, and at the slightest sign of weakness in the opponent, he jumps right down his throat.
Wladimir, by comparison is rather tame, and, although earlier in his career would be just as ferocious, since being trained by Steward, now "waits and sees".
The now have two completely different boxing styles, and I'm surprised that it isn't immediately obvious to you.
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Wladimir become a much better fighter with Emanuel Steward. Today he had the stamina for 12 rounds and he proteced himself very well.
Vitali lost to Lewis with defasting cuts. If he had proteced better, maybe he could have won.
Fritz Sdunek knew nothing about real professional boxing, he is just a talker nothing else. And because of this Vitali will train false and loose to Samuel Peter.
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Originally posted by edgarg View PostFor you to think that "Vitaly isn't the offensive machine....etc" I have to say you really don't know what you are saying. V Klirschko is one of the most accurate punchers I've ever seen, and is a thoroughly devastating finisher. He's like a hunting tiger in the ring, and at the slightest sign of weakness in the opponent, he jumps right down his throat.
the thing that makes vitali so dangerous is that he so accurate with his punches and always aims exclusively to the head, he's a head hunter, no messing around to the body. he loads up on huge right hands and pops them straight down the pipe, and when he has them wobbled he has that killer instinct to finish them off
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Originally posted by boxing2005 View PostWould you say that Wladimir has become a better fighter since Steward started training him? In my opinion, he has become less diversified, 6 years ago Wladimir would finish Thompson or Ibragimov in less than 6 rounds each. Today, he straggled with both of them IMO. It's like a part of him still wants to go for broke and a part of him is holding him back, following Steward's instructions. He just seems awkward a lot of times.
This humiliated him. Then a couple of fights later Brewster beat him. This was even more unexpected than the Sanders loss, and Wladimir had been dishing out tremendous punishment and getting back almost nothing. Even though we could see him labouring, he was killing Brewster. Then the calamity struck, he suddenly drained away and collapsed, couldn't lift his hands, leaving himself open for a Brewster left hook. The punch wasn't so much, ut Klitschko definitely was a sick guy and anyone who saw the fight and says differently is lying. We all saw him collapse almost in the ref's arms almost without being hit.
So, all this put together either meant that for a mysterious reason, this boxing genius was suddenly finished............ They'd even got Manny Steward who rehabilitated Lennoz Lewis after 2 devatating KO losses.
So they started all over again. With Manny, Wladimir follows instructions exactly, at first very awkwardly, and, as time goes on, with more confidence and success.
What Manny has done, is to make him into a Lewis copy. He clinches, holds, throws one punch and grabs if the opponjent gets too close, only throws his right when it's almost a certainty to land. I've even seen him trying out Lewis's patent pet foul, grabbing the other guy aroud the neck and uppercutting him.
This makes for less than stellar fights wiuth the only excitement often being the moment of the actual KO, which, lately with the Klitschko fights, takes us -and the analysts- by surprise.
I liked him better before Manny, but his "recovery" graduation was the Sam Peter fight. In my opinion. he could have KO'd Peter any time after the 4th round, but followed instructions not to punch too hard, so as not to leave himself open = for a counter in case he missed etc.
There's no doubt that the new Wladimir wins all his fights and should. But I don't like to watch 6-10 rounds just to see one right hand KO punch.
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Originally posted by AFTERMATH View Postthe thing that makes vitali so dangerous is that he so accurate with his punches and always aims exclusively to the head, he's a head hunter, no messing around to the body. he loads up on huge right hands and pops them straight down the pipe, and when he has them wobbled he has that killer instinct to finish them off
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Originally posted by edgarg View PostI agree with you. He has become far less exciting to watch, depriving us of his classic style boxing, whilst becoming a more certain winner. Before Steward ( B.S.) he was a thunderous puncher, and normally demolished his opponents in the fastest possible time, his skills impeccable. But the loss to Sanders, [I've always found it odd that they never noticed that Sanders heavily butted Wladimir almost at the very same time he punched, and this was his downfall.) happened when he was being hailed as the new long-term Ring King.
This humiliated him. Then a couple of fights later Brewster beat him. This was even more unexpected than the Sanders loss, and Wladimir had been dishing out tremendous punishment and getting back almost nothing. Even though we could see him labouring, he was killing Brewster. Then the calamity struck, he suddenly drained away and collapsed, couldn't lift his hands, leaving himself open for a Brewster left hook. The punch wasn't so much, ut Klitschko definitely was a sick guy and anyone who saw the fight and says differently is lying. We all saw him collapse almost in the ref's arms almost without being hit.
So, all this put together either meant that for a mysterious reason, this boxing genius was suddenly finished............ They'd even got Manny Steward who rehabilitated Lennoz Lewis after 2 devatating KO losses.
So they started all over again. With Manny, Wladimir follows instructions exactly, at first very awkwardly, and, as time goes on, with more confidence and success.
What Manny has done, is to make him into a Lewis copy. He clinches, holds, throws one punch and grabs if the opponjent gets too close, only throws his right when it's almost a certainty to land. I've even seen him trying out Lewis's patent pet foul, grabbing the other guy aroud the neck and uppercutting him.
This makes for less than stellar fights wiuth the only excitement often being the moment of the actual KO, which, lately with the Klitschko fights, takes us -and the analysts- by surprise.
I liked him better before Manny, but his "recovery" graduation was the Sam Peter fight. In my opinion. he could have KO'd Peter any time after the 4th round, but followed instructions not to punch too hard, so as not to leave himself open = for a counter in case he missed etc.
There's no doubt that the new Wladimir wins all his fights and should. But I don't like to watch 6-10 rounds just to see one right hand KO punch.
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Originally posted by boxing2005 View PostThanks for your opinion, that's what I felt as well. I am excited to see Vitali back, I've always liked him more than Wlad. I just hope that he actually makes it to the fight.
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