How Do You Beat Calzaghe?

[abadger]

So? If Joe lost in a very competative 12 rd. decision that was up in the air the whole time, with good action and maybe a KD or two. You would not enjoy that fight if Joe lost? I find that hard to believe. I would still love that same fight in the end if Roy lost. The Pavlik fight won't go down like that, so I will not touch on it. Either Calzaghe will dominate or Pavlik will.

IMO Roy is done, so if Calzaghe struggles then I will have to believe he is done too. Obviously if the fight happens and Roy is springing about like a puppy and looks great then that would alter my thinking.

[5punchcombo]

IMO Roy is done, so if Calzaghe struggles then I will have to believe he is done too. Obviously if the fight happens and Roy is springing about like a puppy and looks great then that would alter my thinking.

You are a magician at keeping this sad thread alive.

[Chase8400]

IMO Roy is done, so if Calzaghe struggles then I will have to believe he is done too. Obviously if the fight happens and Roy is springing about like a puppy and looks great then that would alter my thinking.

Still did'nt answer my question.

Will you enjoy the fight if Joe loses by a SD?

I know how you feel about Roy at this point, it's well documented. But remember, fighters get old between fights. Not during them. If Joe beats Jones, I say they both need to call it a career and hold their heads high. Pavlik would be too risky when a legacy has been cemented.

[Steel Town USA]

So you're angry with me because I don't rate Pavlik, and are appealing to what Manny Steward says because you think that proves you right. Cool. I see Pavlik as being good at what he does, he has good workrate, a nice jab - right hand combo, good power and is young, so he will improve. I do think that he is quite slow and predictable though and that what he does is limited. I am yet to see any evidence of him being particularly skilful outside of the simple style he has shown in every fight so far. Sorry, I go off what I see in the ring.

You know what I see in the ring? I see a guy whose shots are so straight and get from point A to point B so quickly that it completely offsets any (perceived) lack of hand speed. I see a guy who never telegraphs his punches and doesn't load up on any one shot, making it difficult for opponents to see those shots before they land. I see a guy whose accuracy is vastly underrated. I see a guy who knows how to cut off the ring and, unlike a fighter such as Margarito (who just comes straight forward), is supremely effective in stalking his opponent. I see a guy who stood in against against Jermain Taylor (who had proven himself at the elite level, unlike Kessler) and, despite being perceived as inferior in almost every quantifiable measurement, still won decisively.

So, basically, I'm saying that Pavlik is much more than just a thudding puncher (although he most certainly is that). He has all the intangibles and very subtle skills that could pose problems for anyone. Am I saying he definitely beats Calzaghe? No, of course not. But I AM saying that he has far better than a puncher's chance of doing so.

[Chase8400]

You are a magician at keeping this sad thread alive.

Not a bad topic compared to some on here.
Besides, Abadger & I go way back.

[abadger]

You are a magician at keeping this sad thread alive.

If only I could make idiots like you disappear.

[abadger]

Still did'nt answer my question.

Will you enjoy the fight if Joe loses by a SD?

I know how you feel about Roy at this point, it's well documented. But remember, fighters get old between fights. Not during them. If Joe beats Jones, I say they both need to call it a career and hold their heads high. Pavlik would be too risky when a legacy has been cemented.

I did, I said there was no conceivable way i could enjoy a Calzaghe loss. I'm sure I'd enjoy the fight as it unfolded, but such a result would not be enjoyable.

[T-97]

If only I could make idiots like you disappear.

The ignore feature abadger. The ignore feature.

[fightnews55]

So, here's a question....if, when Jones and Calzaghe meet in the ring, Calzaghe administers a Kessler style clinic, or even worse, a Lacy type beatdown, what's going to be the general concensus at that point? Right now, a significant portion of this forum membership believes that Jones is not shot, that he's only a little past his prime, and that he'll handle Calzaghe with relative ease. And a largeish portion of those seem to think Jones will win by KO/TKO against someone who's caught some rockin' shots and never been seriously hurt.

So I ask...what then? Is it going to suddenly be a case where Jones turned grandpa overnight and was, after all, utterly shot? Or will Jones suddenly become overrated? It'll have to be one or the other, I'm sure, because there's very little chance those same people who are predicting an easy win for Jones are going to decide Calzaghe is more "elite" than they would've suspected.

Seriously, I'm curious what the response will be by those who are certain of a Jones win.

Doesn't matter. Those people are in denial. Jones is SHOT reloaded and SHOT again.

[fightnews55]

I did, I said there was no conceivable way i could enjoy a Calzaghe loss. I'm sure I'd enjoy the fight as it unfolded, but such a result would not be enjoyable.

When was the last time you came up from Calzaghes balls for air. Are you a women or gay? I can't grasp the thought of a guy being such a groupie. You're more in love with Calzaghe then my daughter is with the Jonas brothers. Pathetic