who really won Pacman v Marquez 1+2

[Miburo]

I had Marquez taking the second fight by two points. As for the joking reference to a 15 round fight, that would certainly favor Marquez considering how much energy Pacman had to expend to remain in the fight and how strongly Marquez finished.

[shadeyfizzle]

I had Marquez taking the second fight by two points. As for the joking reference to a 15 round fight, that would certainly favor Marquez considering how much energy Pacman had to expend to remain in the fight and how strongly Marquez finished.

Pacman seemed to have plenty of energy to spare after the 2nd fight while Marquez breathed sighs of relief believing he had done enough to bag it up

[Miburo]

Pacman seemed to have plenty of energy to spare after the 2nd fight while Marquez breathed sighs of relief believing he had done enough to bag it up

My recollection is the reverse - Marquez dominating the 12th while Pacquiao seemed spent. I haven't watched it since it aired however.

[flipbjefrox]

this is what ive been trying to explain they just dont seem to get it

Pac had a 4 point round he only needed 2 rounds from the next 11 rounds and if remember right he won the 2nd round clearly ,thats 5 rounds

you only need 6 rounds for a draw it is very very unlikely that mathematically Marquez won this fight

people tend to forget that its a point system

[Miburo]

this is what ive been trying to explain they just dont seem to get it

Pac had a 4 point round he only needed 2 rounds from the next 11 rounds and if remember right he won the 2nd round clearly ,thats 5 rounds

you only need 6 rounds for a draw it is very very unlikely that mathematically Marquez won this fight

Judges won't score a round below 10-7, so the third knockdown was basically excessive.

[Left Hook Tua]

Judges won't score a round below 10-7, so the third knockdown was basically excessive.

2 judges scored it 10-6.

the one judge that scored it 10-7 admitted he made a mistake and would've scored it 10-6. he didn't think 10-6 was allowed.

[Miburo]

2 judges scored it 10-6.

the one judge that scored it 10-7 admitted he made a mistake and would've scored it 10-6. he didn't think 10-6 was allowed.

Really? That's contrary to what I'd always heard (it's a very rare situation in any case), I wasn't familiar with the breakdown of the final scoring.

I should also add that 10-6 does seem excessive in only a 12 round fight, it really destroys any chance of a comeback (despite the outcome in this case). For a 15 rounder it would make more sense. Then again it doesn't really matter, I doubt we'll see another occurrence like that ever again (3 knockdowns in the first with the other fighter controlling most of the rest of the fight).

[shadeyfizzle]

My recollection is the reverse - Marquez dominating the 12th while Pacquiao seemed spent. I haven't watched it since it aired however.

My recollection of the 12th rd was both guys believed they had and were protecting the lead going in. Pacman didnt pressure as much as previous rds but landed more than enough to keep the rd close. After landing with frequency as the rd closed...Pacman looked at Marquez as if to say I can do this all night. Marquez looked back as if to say too bad its over and i got this

[alishuffle]

I didn't see the first fight, but I had Marquez ahead in the second fight.

[Left Hook Tua]

Really? That's contrary to what I'd always heard (it's a very rare situation in any case), I wasn't familiar with the breakdown of the final scoring.

I should also add that 10-6 does seem excessive in only a 12 round fight, it really destroys any chance of a comeback (despite the outcome in this case). For a 15 rounder it would make more sense. Then again it doesn't really matter, I doubt we'll see another occurrence like that ever again (3 knockdowns in the first with the other fighter controlling most of the rest of the fight).

that's what the 3rd judge thought as well. when he was questioned about it because his 10-7 caused the draw. he stated that he didn't realize you could give a 10-6 round.

10-8 one kd. 10-7 two kd. 10-6 three kd.

it's rare because how many times does a guy get knocked down 3 times and the fight not get stopped?

i was surprised joe cortez didn't stop it myself. imagine how boxing history would've changed if joe did stop it after 1 round?