Gerald McClellan vs Kelly Pavlik?

[hishaam15]

McClellan lost to a couple of fighters who Pavlik would have wiped his ass with. His whole rep is based on his wins over Julian Jackson. The tragic way his career ended has caused him to be a mythical figure.

pavlik is overrated. mcclellan would brutally KO him

[ИATAS]

McClellan lost to a couple of fighters who Pavlik would have wiped his ass with. His whole rep is based on his wins over Julian Jackson. The tragic way his career ended has caused him to be a mythical figure.

come on man, you don't have to say that. those losses were earlier in his career, he wasn't really developed yet. After his last loss he undefeated in 21 fights which was a 5 year period of time.

Plus, just the way he was man-handling benn in the first half of the fight should tell you he was no chump.

Do you honestly think that the guy who showed up to fight benn, or Julian Jackson, would get KO'd by Pavlik in 5? you're crazy.

And I'm not one to give too much credit for amateur fights, but the guy did beat Roy Jones, which was difficult to do even back then.

[Thread Stealer]

McClellan lost to a couple of fighters who Pavlik would have wiped his ass with. His whole rep is based on his wins over Julian Jackson. The tragic way his career ended has caused him to be a mythical figure.

I haven't seen those early losses, but I'm sure G-Man improved as time went on.

McClellan is indeed overrated due to the tragedy, the "what could have been" fighters always are. Jackson was naturally smaller and also half-blind by 1993.

Still, I'm not sure if Pavlik wins. G-Man was a good fighter, even if people overrate him.

McClellan would be very dangerous early on. Pavlik would have a better chance as the fight progresses.

[Scott9945]

come on man, you don't have to say that. those losses were earlier in his career, he wasn't really developed yet. After his last loss he undefeated in 21 fights which was a 5 year period of time.

Plus, just the way he was man-handling benn in the first half of the fight should tell you he was no chump.

Do you honestly think that the guy who showed up to fight benn, or Julian Jackson, would get KO'd by Pavlik in 5? you're crazy.

And I'm not one to give too much credit for amateur fights, but the guy did beat Roy Jones, which was difficult to do even back then.

I didn't exactly call him a chump. I saw both him and Pavlik fight, and IMO Kelly beats him. But that's more of a tribute to Pavlik than a knock on McClellan. No doubt with his power McClellan was a big threat against anyone. But other than Jackson and the even more overrated Mugabi, his record is filled with crap opponents. Of course as a disclaimer I have to admit to having a very low opinion of him because of the way he abused dogs.

[deanrw]

On potential you have to go with Gerald. On the other hand, many people overrate him now in my opinion as he never got a chance to fight a lot of top fighters.

His resume basically comes down to:

Mugabi: Who at the time was very beatable
Julian Jackson: Top fighter and a great pair of wins
Nigel Benn: Tough SOB but still beatable.

That is basically his competition. Nigel was tough and weathered his storm.

It is hard to say anything negative about Gerald without seeming like an insensitive prick, but I was not 100% sold on him yet.

I can now say the same about Pavlik. On paper he seems like a tough one to topple, but he needs a few more big tough wins for me to be sold.

If I were to vote, I would go for Gerald as he was a very fast starter and had fast hands, but he would also leave himself open in attacking and if Pavlik got to him, I would not be shocked. When you bomb with a bomber, you can end up with surprising results.

[reptar]

how would benn and eubank do against Kelly. i would have eubank taking kelly to school. Can't make my mind up about benn though

[deanrw]

how would benn and eubank do against Kelly. i would have eubank taking kelly to school. Can't make my mind up about benn though

Kelly is a tough fight for anyone simply because of his height, reach, jab and power. That is a formidable mix for anyone to fight.

Nobody will school him. Eventually someone will knock him out, but they will be in a fight.

I loved Benn and hated Eubank.

[Miburo]

McClellan would bomb him out in the early rounds, I think he would surprise Pavlik (a bit of a slow starter) with his ferocity and catch him. Recall that Taylor caught him and almost had him out early, McClellan would not have failed to finish the job. A longer fight perhaps favors Pavlik.

[beez721]

come on man, you don't have to say that. those losses were earlier in his career, he wasn't really developed yet. After his last loss he undefeated in 21 fights which was a 5 year period of time.

Plus, just the way he was man-handling benn in the first half of the fight should tell you he was no chump.

Do you honestly think that the guy who showed up to fight benn, or Julian Jackson, would get KO'd by Pavlik in 5? you're crazy.

And I'm not one to give too much credit for amateur fights, but the guy did beat Roy Jones, which was difficult to do even back then.

part of mcclellans success was he was so much naturally bigger than his opponents. he wouldnt have that advantage with pavlick who's also big for his weight. I could see either guy being knocked out

[beez721]

On potential you have to go with Gerald. On the other hand, many people overrate him now in my opinion as he never got a chance to fight a lot of top fighters.

His resume basically comes down to:

Mugabi: Who at the time was very beatable
Julian Jackson: Top fighter and a great pair of wins
Nigel Benn: Tough SOB but still beatable.

That is basically his competition. Nigel was tough and weathered his storm.

It is hard to say anything negative about Gerald without seeming like an insensitive prick, but I was not 100% sold on him yet.

I can now say the same about Pavlik. On paper he seems like a tough one to topple, but he needs a few more big tough wins for me to be sold.

If I were to vote, I would go for Gerald as he was a very fast starter and had fast hands, but he would also leave himself open in attacking and if Pavlik got to him, I would not be shocked. When you bomb with a bomber, you can end up with surprising results.

jackson was much smaller and damaged goods when gerald got him and he also had eye problems on top of all that. its a shame he never fought jones as that would have told us just how good he was because his opposition was weak