Margarito Great Boxing Skills are Underrated

[Fox McCloud]

Cotto fragile chin? give me a break see the end of round 10 in slow motion and tell me cotto has a fragile chin, that combination woulda knocked out any fragile chin
and didnt cotto had a good chin? didnt torres "pushed him"?

i think ur forgetting how boxing is scored doing a lil dance at the end of the round doesnt matter, inflicting damage in your opponent is what counts cotto was not winning most of the rounds even the hbo judge had the fight a draw going into the 11th

The Torres knockdown was a push. That is irrelevant. Having a bad chin doesn't necessarily mean you get knocked down. Angel Manfredy showed a bad chin against Mayweather, but he stayed on his feet, and ended up getting TKO'd. Cotto gets hurt... a lot. Torres, Corley, Judah and Margarito all hurt Cotto, badly. Like stumbling around hurt.

I know how boxing is scored... if you read my post, it is entirely consistent with what you typed about scoring fights. Cotto did more good work, but didn't win the rounds because Margarito is an absolute ****ing beast, and wasn't bothered by the tremendous amounts of huge punches that landed on him.

If those two had equal power, chin, etc., a lot of those rounds would have gone to Cotto, because Cotto was landing a ton of hard punches.

All I'm saying is that Margarito does have good boxing skills (which are underrated by almost everyone, who thinks he has no clue what he is doing, doesn't show defense, and is wreckless), but he does use his very large size to his advantage to the point that you can say that it makes up for some of the deficiencies in his boxing arsenal.

Margarito has good boxing skills... he blocks a lot of punches. He is actually somewhat economical with his punches, because a lot of them are very accurate, and the ones that aren't are usually thrown with the intent of setting up a hard, accurate punch in the next few punches. He knows how to cut off the ring a hell of a lot better than most pressure fighters that I have seen.

But to say that he was outboxing Cotto is ****ing ridiculous. He was winning the fight because of his ability to take punches much better than Cotto.

EDIT: And THAT is plain and basic common sense. **** you Joart.

[drew_kousk]

cotto does have a bad chin!!
you guys really need to do some more research!
look at the judah-cotto fight judah nearly knocked him in rounds one and two!
cotto did outbox marg! yes tony threw a whole bunch but did you see the landing percentage? horrible!
cotto threw a little less but doubled tony's percentage!
the only reason tony was was because of the constant pressure and cotto ran outta gas!

[Scott9945]

Oh, so I'm supposed to act more like you? Let me give it a shot. Here goes:

You couldn't be more wrong idiot.

I've already educated you on this.

Gayweather ducker runner coward.

Plain and basic common sense.

How was that for a trial run? You get on here, and just talk ****, making no arguments and then proclaim yourself a genius. You are a ****ing idiot. And that, you small-****ed ****, is plain and basic common sense.

You get 100% for accuracy in that post. It's embarrassing when he likes the same fighters that I do.

[MANGLER]

Marg is a tough fighter, not a skilled boxer. He walks you down , laughs at your best clean shots, and throws a ****load of punches til you crack. That ain't really skillful, it's just tough and brutal. He is a good bodypuncher, can infight very well, and his jab is effective when he actually uses it. But on the whole I wouldn't call Marg a skillful guy. He's just a ****in beast.

[ElGranLuchador]

The Torres knockdown was a push. That is irrelevant. Having a bad chin doesn't necessarily mean you get knocked down. Angel Manfredy showed a bad chin against Mayweather, but he stayed on his feet, and ended up getting TKO'd. Cotto gets hurt... a lot. Torres, Corley, Judah and Margarito all hurt Cotto, badly. Like stumbling around hurt.

I know how boxing is scored... if you read my post, it is entirely consistent with what you typed about scoring fights. Cotto did more good work, but didn't win the rounds because Margarito is an absolute ****ing beast, and wasn't bothered by the tremendous amounts of huge punches that landed on him.

If those two had equal power, chin, etc., a lot of those rounds would have gone to Cotto, because Cotto was landing a ton of hard punches.

All I'm saying is that Margarito does have good boxing skills (which are underrated by almost everyone, who thinks he has no clue what he is doing, doesn't show defense, and is wreckless), but he does use his very large size to his advantage to the point that you can say that it makes up for some of the deficiencies in his boxing arsenal.

Margarito has good boxing skills... he blocks a lot of punches. He is actually somewhat economical with his punches, because a lot of them are very accurate, and the ones that aren't are usually thrown with the intent of setting up a hard, accurate punch in the next few punches. He knows how to cut off the ring a hell of a lot better than most pressure fighters that I have seen.

But to say that he was outboxing Cotto is ****ing ridiculous. He was winning the fight because of his ability to take punches much better than Cotto.

EDIT: And THAT is plain and basic common sense. **** you Joart.

ur a very smart poster and i respect ur opinion
anyway i still believe cotto has a good chin i mean i watched the fight on slow motion last night while eating dinner and couldnt believe how cotto was still standing after those shots were rearraging his face, specially that combination at the 10th round just brutal
anyway i didnt know outboxing only counted when ur going backwards and making ur opponent miss, i think effective pressure like recently clottey applied against judah can also be considered outboxing
and thats what margarito was doing
maybe margarito great boxing skills are not underrated, i think he is being underrated in his ability to win an ud against the elites of the boxing world which i thought was pretty much the same as boxing skills

[NORGARD4HUMNLIF]

Now this is what I want you to do.

Try to be a moron and let me shove those words back up your mouth.

And in the future don't start thinking the way I think. I need tools like you which I can use.

Cotto's fragile chin?

You are dumb eh?

Cotto withstood hundreds of punches from Margarito bowing down only in the round 11. Is that what you call fragile chin? Lols.

******.

Cotto doing a lot more work??

Dumber than dumb?

Cotto after round 7 was on the back-peddal all the time yet he has reduced punch output and Marg has significantly increased his powershot hits.

I already educated your moronic mind about how to score rounds and yet you can't remember.

I will educate you again ******. And this time try to remember.

In order for a boxer who back-peddals to win the round.. he has to DOMINATE his opponent in order to win the round.

Take note of the word DOMINATE.

Anything less and the round goes to the aggressor. All the aggressor has to do is keep the fight close and he will win the round by virtue of him being the one who is pressuring.

That's common sense in professional boxing dude. I already educated you on this and yet you forgot it already.

Pity.

In the future don't use my line plain and basic common sense if you don't have an idea what you are talking about.

That line is reserved for me and my disposition of being correct.

this is just plain and basic common sense. we dont give rounds to cowards who run the whole fight. that is not real boxing.

[TheSurgeonMDMPH]

People are forgetting he was outboxing cotto the p4p 6th guy in the world and regarded as one of the best boxers
sure his style might not include running around and all that cowardly stunts ppl seem to love, but he is effective he punches a lot and it lands
margarito is one of a kind there is not one fighter that can punch as much as margarito and be as relentless, add to that his warrior mentality and great chin and u have a great boxing skills to win an UD against elite fighters like cotto clottey or mayweather

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[TheSurgeonMDMPH]

this is just plain and basic common sense. we dont give rounds to cowards who run the whole fight. that is not real boxing.

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[Fox McCloud]

ur a very smart poster and i respect ur opinion
anyway i still believe cotto has a good chin i mean i watched the fight on slow motion last night while eating dinner and couldnt believe how cotto was still standing after those shots were rearraging his face, specially that combination at the 10th round just brutal
anyway i didnt know outboxing only counted when ur going backwards and making ur opponent miss, i think effective pressure like recently clottey applied against judah can also be considered outboxing
and thats what margarito was doing
maybe margarito great boxing skills are not underrated, i think he is being underrated in his ability to win an ud against the elites of the boxing world which i thought was pretty much the same as boxing skills

Thank you for the complement... I try to analyze things to the best of my knowledge. It lets me know I'm doing at least an okay job when someone who disagrees with me about a certain aspect of the sport tells me that I am a good poster and/or respects my opinion.

I don't think you have to be trying to be slick in order to outbox someone. I just consider outboxing someone consistently beating them to the punch. NOW, obviously it is not whoever is landing more punches or anything like that automatically wins the fight.

Cotto outboxed Margarito in the earlier rounds.
Margarito outfought Cotto for most of the fight, because he was able to win a lot of rounds landing significantly less punches, because his power was affecting Cotto's chin a lot more than Cotto's power (which I think is greater than Margarito's) was affecting Margarito's chin.

That's what made it such an amazing fight. The daunting question of whether Margarito could keep pressuring enough to win the majority of the rounds (although I had my doubts about the judges giving it to him, even if he was winning... thank god I was wrong. That kind of restored my faith in boxing judging) or whether he would secure a KO just to be safe kept everyone on the edge of their seat.

And it was even better than most boxer vs. pressure fighter matchups, because Cotto was not jabbing and grabbing or jabbing and moving... he was moving, throwing nuclear combos and then moving, all the while trying to avoid the power and size of Margarito.

[Gareth Ivanovic]

Tony wins a fight against a very good fighter and now he is the second coming..........
all this is non sense and getting pretty ridiculous.


If Tony is soooooo godly, why wont he venture past 147? How about a santos fight again? How about him fight middleweights if he is so unstoppable. Other fighters have made the move , some have even started at 130 and gone up to 160.(oscar)

Oh hey what's up bro, I haven't seen you on here in a little bit. As for what you said I totally agree. I mean saying that Margarito outboxed Cotto is out there. I mean the guy won leave it at that. No need to make him out to something he isn't. Margarito won that fight with stamina, will, and workrate. Cotto was outboxing him, but just couldn't hold up.