How bad would Kessler beat Calzaghe in a rematch?

[dstew]

If you know boxing, you can't honestly watch Pavlik and Kessler and conclude that Pavlik is as good.

If you know boxing, you can't honestly watch Pavlik and Kessler and conclude that Kessler is the tougher, more determined guy. Being better technically doesn't always win fights.

Kessler will beat Taylor if JT has the balls to fight (he's already ducked him, and will avoid it at all costs)

When did Taylor duck Kessler? Do you have a source?

I like Kessler but he needs to show some initiative and make another big fight after this Sartison/Haussler bull****. Right now it looks like he doesn't have the drive to fight the guys he needs to fight in order to be considered "great."

[abadger]

I'll take it a step further, Kesslers trash. I will say this tho, We Americans buld our fighters up the same way (Lacy etc.) We give these guys way to much credit off fighting nobody, then when they lose everyone screams overrated, when in actuallity they shouldnt have been rated that highly in the first place.

You are shockingly dumb. I really don't think you like boxing at all. This post seems to suggest that there are actually no good boxers on earth. What in your opinion do you have to do to be a 'good boxer' and not 'trash'. I'm envisoning a fighter who KOs everyone on the P4P list, fighting at every weight in the sport?

[Winter]

Ok so it kessler first high profile fight and against his best test. How bad would he beat joe in a rematch? He just had an off night like everyone does.

Joe Calzaghe will never lose. Kessler will never lose if he never has to fight Calzaghe again.

[Dan...]

If they were to fight right now I don't think it is any different. Maybe Joe wins easier because he doesn't need to find the formula all over again. Kessler didn't show me that he had an answer to the movement and punch volume Calzaghe threw at him and I haven't seen anything different from him yet to suggest he would be able to make the necessary adjustments to counter that kind of fight plan that Joe would no doubt bring to the table. As people have already said though, Joe is showing a few signs now and in 12 or 18 months he may not be able to sustain that kind of style in which case I think Kessler would be able to boss the fight behind his very good jab and right hand and probably win a decision.

[Monticello]

He wouldn't beat him in a rematch.

[hookoutofhell]

if they where to fight at any time within the next year or year and a half i think joe wins because he is that good. joes adaptability won him his fight with kessler he took away his jab and didn't let kessler set up his other more powerful shot (this si something tht hopkins will try and to with pavlik as well imo), he also went to the body once as well and relied on his speed and timing to confuse mikkel with different punches from different angles. joe that night was facing a tough, stronger, bigger, younger fighter and one who had showed that if joe wanted to trade leather mikkel could do that as well and come close to matching his speed.

in order for mikkel to win as someone else said joe has to get old - if joe loses that slight edge in speed maybe just maybe mikkel can start beating im to the punch and joes counter punching may be less effficent then as well.

i think kessler would have or should have learnt alot from the fight with calzaghe, he'll know now what is required to beat the elite level fighters its one thing beating belt holders like mundine and beyer but the eilte level (p4p level) is different. mikkel should be on tat list and he knows now how much he need to put in if he is to come away with the credit that his talent justifies.

if theres one thing that has disappointed me about mikkel so far is that he has to prove he has a fighters heart he has to chase the big fights and chase his opponents. vs calzaghe he just ddn't have that drive and grit that joe had, joe found another gear in their fight and mikkel was left for dead. that lack of heart has been apparent in the fights he has been linked with as well since their meeting mikkel has only really been linked with miranda but it looks as though he ducked out of that (understandably so mirandas is dangerous and mikkel was coming of a loss), but why didn't he pursue someone else like froch, taylor, lacy, bute at SMW.

whats more mikkel is big at SMW in fact hes ****in huge!!! i think he could quite easily make LHW - in fact even at SMW his power is enough to rival the top fighters. why not chase a fight with fighters like glen johnson, dawson, tarver, erdei, clinton woods etc.

hich brings me onto my last point if joe and mikkel where to fight at SMW i can see joe taking a SD, however if they were to fight at LHW and kessler had good conditioning and a good training camp then i can see kessler getting even stronger. now that might be a bit of a problem for joe - especially since joe himself doesn't put any muscle mass on when he fights at LHW (so as not to lose his handpseed), i can still see joe taking the SD but imo kessler would be alot more dangerous at this weight for joe.
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[RodBarker]

Wrongly underrated Calzaghe once, perhaps that's not the only time or area you do. You've bashed and dislike the British, routed and bet against one for that reason. You go with your heart not your head.

Kessler is great, he could have, and would have a slightly better performance against Joe. But any time in the next 18 months he still loses. There was nothing in that fight that called for a rematch hence no one has. Mikkel probably did have some injuries with his hands but he sure hasn't spoken out about it much, why? I certainly don't think his hand was totally, or seriously broken. He had no real problems throwing very hard shots with both hands. Calzaghe can't do so because of his longterm hand fragile hands. So I don't think Kesslers condition was a massive factor in the outcome of the fight. He'd still lose in a similar fashion.

Oh Kris your a sorry sod , Im a betting man that will put my money where my mouth is and like other people that like a wager you win some you lose some thats the risk you take , concerning Joe I would not bet on the Jones fight but if Kelly fought him I would bet on Pavlik , by the way I won 400 giving 2 to 1 odds with a guy at the gym that Cal would beat Bika so dont give me your British bashing garbage , your such a paranoid ****er it really gets in the way of having a discussion with you because you wear it like a babys bib .

[Kris Silver]

Oh Kris your a sorry sod , Im a betting man that will put my money where my mouth is and like other people that like a wager you win some you lose some thats the risk you take , concerning Joe I would not bet on the Jones fight but if Kelly fought him I would bet on Pavlik , by the way I won 400 giving 2 to 1 odds with a guy at the gym that Cal would beat Bika so dont give me your British bashing garbage , your such a paranoid ****er it really gets in the way of having a discussion with you because you wear it like a babys bib .

I'm not paranoid I just don't respect your posts because you act like your whiter than white, say your the least biased poster on here and talk like some kind of statesmen. I find all of these things insulting to other posters, arrogant and pompous.

You bashed the British people as a whole in a thread showing a clear dislike and bias against them. You bring a person being British and supporting Calzaghe into the equation all the time un-necessarily. You don't compromise and spurt on like your the all seeing eye with the big knowledge bible and rule book.

How comes you won't bet on the Calzaghe Jones fight, Joe overrated or Roy past it?

If Joe does ever face Pavlik I'll happily bet you on the outcome.

[abadger]

Oh Kris your a sorry sod , Im a betting man that will put my money where my mouth is and like other people that like a wager you win some you lose some thats the risk you take , concerning Joe I would not bet on the Jones fight but if Kelly fought him I would bet on Pavlik , by the way I won 400 giving 2 to 1 odds with a guy at the gym that Cal would beat Bika so dont give me your British bashing garbage , your such a paranoid ****er it really gets in the way of having a discussion with you because you wear it like a babys bib .

Rod, you hate Calzaghe, and I think you should just admit it. I can summarise virtually every post you've ever made on the subject as: "Calzaghe is a bum, fought bums, and would lose to any decent opponent he ever faces." That's fine, you are entitled to your opinion, but I really wish you would stop pretending it was outright fact, because it isn't and in reality, the facts are against you. Calzaghe keeps winning, against opponents you pick to beat him, is the recognised #2 boxer on the planet and holds titles in two divisions.

If you must endelessly argue with Calzaghe fans on the merits of Calzaghe as a boxer, at least acknowledge that in terms of serious boxing opinion, you are in the minority. Many on these boards may agree with you, but it isn't smart to conflate the opinions of a message board with the opinion that you are right. I have no problem with you thinking whatever you want to think, but do stop being so righteous about it, and realise that your opinion whatever its merits in your eyes, is one that goes against the majority opinion about Joe Calzaghe.

[RodBarker]

I'm not paranoid I just don't respect your posts because you act like your whiter than white, say your the least biased poster on here and talk like some kind of statesmen. I find all of these things insulting to other posters, arrogant and pompous.

You bashed the British people as a whole in a thread showing a clear dislike and bias against them. You bring a person being British and supporting Calzaghe into the equation all the time un-necessarily. You don't compromise and spurt on like your the all seeing eye with the big knowledge bible and rule book.

How comes you won't bet on the Calzaghe Jones fight, Joe overrated or Roy past it?

If Joe does ever face Pavlik I'll happily bet you on the outcome.

One of the least biased posters , get it right ****** there are quite a few on the board your not one of them , you find things insulting to you and your tactics is to gather support so you say others , your a typical weasel that likes to bushwack posters that are in debate with some body else , you've done it many times , and ironically the subject is always Calzaghe or British based and its always another Brit you side with , why is that , your as transparent a screen door Kris with your Brit bashing paranoid bleeding heart .