Legends like Chavez, Morales are penitentiary bound. PAC to bail 'em out

[We want Floyd]

don't you understand that its the police at the line that get paid off, i know people who have crossed in that manner

if the fence is succesfull then within a few years you'll see America calling for Mexicans to have visas so they can work in America, i see it at the border crossing, there tijuanna plate cars going into America, so that tells me that these people have working visas to work in America

I'm still scratchin' my head though. Again, how in the hell can you proud Mexicans allow yourselves to be fenced in, get bullied by the gringos once more. Haven't you had enough. First the immigration raids, they had to take it a step further, by puttin' y'all in jail in your own country! Now that's f**ked up


C'mon Meheeecanos rize up!! What will y'all let them do next, take your oil!! Now I know why McCain wants to keep the North American FREE trade agreement the way it is!

[Caxcan]

I'm still scratchin' my head though. Again, how in the hell can you proud Mexicans allow yourselves to be fenced in, get bullied by the gringos once more. Haven't you had enough. First the immigration raids, they had to take it a step further, by puttin' y'all in jail in your own country! Now that's f**ked up


C'mon Meheeecanos rize up!! What will y'all let them do next, take your oil!! Now I know why McCain wants to keep the North American FREE trade agreement the way it is!

So what are you suggesting, a race war? you're an idiot. Mexicans are coming here for the same reasons immigrants from before came and the demand for their labor is just as high as ever.

[horge]

I'm still scratchin' my head though. Again, how in the hell can you proud Mexicans allow yourselves to be fenced in, get bullied by the gringos once more. Haven't you had enough. First the immigration raids, they had to take it a step further, by puttin' y'all in jail in your own country! Now that's f**ked up!

What's ****ed up is any careless insinuation that Mexico is a prison.
Mexico is a breath-takingly beautiful country, no less so than
the Philippines, OR the United States of America.

Freedom is in the will, not the whereabouts.
Same goes for being cowed and imprisoned.

'the ****'s the matter with you, anyway?
That sort of baiting, I'd expect only from a mental paraplegic like xcaret.

h.

[We want Floyd]

So what are you suggesting, a race war? you're an idiot. the demand for Mexican labor is just as high as ever.

lmao,rofl, Dude, do you understand Ingles? Did you read the article. They're already workin' on a thousand + mile fence, there's no demand for yo labor. And just in case you didn't notice, you no longer see the human litter that used to loiter H*me Depot parking lots. The litter has been swept away and dumped back where it belongs -> The Litter Box of N. America

[Zarco]

Whats funny is that there are many mexican families residing in the western south that have been on those lands since it was still Mexico just over 100 years ago. And the mexicans that did immigrate here afterwards only had to travel a few thousand miles and basically walked here since they are already Americans. So who seems more out of place? Half of the U.S. was never Filipines right? Filipinos arent Americans right? Not the U.S. neighbors right? Mexicans were on this continent even before the British opened doors for filipinos. You guys are loooooong ways from home. The fence should have been put up by the natives of this continent hundreds of years ago. But oh well I guess it turned out for the better because out of this ****ty world, the U.S. is the best hope.

[El Jesus]

If Columbus never arrived, this great land would still be trash, if it was left to the natives. I mean, look at south of the border now. Drug cartels running rampant, human trafficking running rampant, , everything that's seedy, South of the border is the headquarters for it!

Considering the phillipines is dealing with islamic factions fighting for positions of power, all out corruption in the presidency, 3rd world poverty all over the island etc, i wouldnt be one to talk.

If the Conquisidors never arrived, the new world would be a nation of indians with their own style of math, science and economics that would prosper with borders drawn among tribes with a civilization forming under wars that would have had no outside interference.

Africa and the New World would be in a MUCH better place if it wasnt for foreign interference, since indians and native africans had the same ideals when it came to preservation of nature, certain spiritual and cultural values and most of all, the two places would have been allowed to prosper on their own, like europe has done all these years.

Although id be somewhere in africa right now, and mexicans wouldnt even exist, neither would the word "latino", wed be much better off, trust me.

[We want Floyd]

Considering the phillipines is dealing with islamic factions fighting for positions of power, all out corruption in the presidency, 3rd world poverty all over the island etc, i wouldnt be one to talk.

If the Conquisidors never arrived, the new world would be a nation of indians with their own style of math, science and economics that would prosper with borders drawn among tribes with a civilization forming under wars that would have had no outside interference.

Africa and the New World would be in a MUCH better place if it wasnt for foreign interference, since indians and native africans had the same ideals when it came to preservation of nature, certain spiritual and cultural values and most of all, the two places would have been allowed to prosper on their own, like europe has done all these years.

Although id be somewhere in africa right now, and mexicans wouldnt even exist, neither would the word "latino", wed be much better off, trust me.

****, read the article below, your folks ain't an asset to this country, if anything y'all are a huge expense to this country. You keep talkin' about the great mayan civilization of centuries ago, well, since y'all invented math, why don't yo ass come up with the math to solve the Cal-State's budget crisis. You don't think having overcrowded prisons and a ton of uneducated criminals, undocumented illegals(mostly from Mexico) suck up the system. Y'all are a huge reason for that crisis? Go ahead Mr. Mathematician, do the math. lets see your answers since you are of Mayan blood and came from a long line of scientists and mathematicians(lmao) This ain't me taking shots. The problem of overcrowding and the fellas from down south is so huge that's become a Presidential concern. It is one of the major issues that is being covered in this years presidential elections. That's huge!



With Jail Costs Rising, Arizona Wants to Build Private Prison in Mexico


By JAMES BROOKE
Published: April 20, 1997

Arizona prison officials have watched the population of Mexican inmates skyrocket, from 58 in 1980 to 2,373 today.

At the same time, they have watched American factory owners move south of the border to take advantage of Mexico's low wages.

So it seemed natural to Gov. Fife Symington, a **********, to propose a twist to the North American Free Trade Agreement: a plan to build a private 1,600-inmate prison in Mexico to house the bulk of Arizona's Mexican prisoners.

''It would mean big dollars to the operator and to the Mexican economy,'' said Terry L. Stewart, State Corrections Director. On April 10, Mr. Stewart received two responses to a request for feasibility studies, one from a prison company based in Florida and the other from a group in Mexico.

The Governor's chief of staff, Jay Heiler, has joined the sales pitch. ''We have a lot of rural communities around Arizona that compete for prison projects,'' Mr. Heiler said. ''So it is not as if we are trying to send some kind of ugly industry south of the border.''

This year, the cost of incarcerating the Mexicans is expected to hit $40 million, a bill that is largely paid by the three and a half million residents of the state.

A private prison in Mexico could halve that cost, estimated Michael Garretson, chief operating officer of the Correctional Services Corporation of Sarasota, Fla., the company that submitted a proposal. Labor accounts for 70 percent of the cost of running a prison in the United States, he said.

''It's a great idea, a great concept,'' said Mr. Garretson, whose company runs a 400-bed prison here and is building another, with 600 beds, in Florence.

To push the idea, Correctional Services, the Mexican group and Arizona officials have held talks with officials from the state of Sonora, which borders Arizona.

Although some state officials in Mexico are open to the idea, it faces a formidable obstacle: it would require a treaty between the United States and Mexico.

From Washington, a spokesman for the State Department cautioned that states could not conduct their own foreign policies.

''Any kind of international agreement of that kind would have to be between two national governments,'' the spokesman, a Latin America specialist, said on the condition of anonymity. ''I don't know how two states could effect that legally.''

The Mexican Consul General here, Luis Cabrera, said that without a treaty, there would be jurisdictional problems. ''Prisons in Mexico cannot be managed by foreign authorities,'' Mr. Cabrera said.

A spokeswoman for the Foreign Ministry in Mexico City limited herself in a telephone interview to saying: ''There have not been any serious discussions. Nothing has been decided.''

Mr. Garretson said state officials were blunter when talking with him in Sonora. ''We got a lot of discussion of sovereignty, local control, even the word imperialism,'' he said.

In contrast, Axel C. F. Holm, an American member of the Mexican group that is studying the proposal, said of his contacts with Sonoran officials: ''They seem to be very open to the idea. We haven't met any real resistance.''



Although the idea might have sounded outlandish 15 years ago, its currency today stems from the growing population of foreigners in American jails. Foreigners account for 27 percent of the 109,000 prisoners in Federal prisons, according to the Bureau of Prisons. Of the total, Mexicans account for 10 percent, or 11,000.

On the state level, Mexicans account for 9.5 percent of the 145,000 inmates in California and 10.5 percent of the 22,697 inmates in Arizona. Over the last five years, the number of Mexicans jailed in Arizona has jumped 72 percent, double the 36 percent rate of increase for the state's prison population as a whole.




But California and Arizona, states that border Mexico, have been reluctant to deport prisoners before their sentences are up. Instead, prison authorities in both states have asked for Federal help.

[Caxcan]

If Columbus never arrived, this great land would still be trash, if it was left to the natives. I mean, look at south of the border now. Drug cartels running rampant, human trafficking running rampant, , everything that's seedy, South of the border is the headquarters for it!

There are two sides to every issue. The drug cartels are running rampant because the US is the largest consumer of drugs in the world and cartels line their pockets with American drug money which they use to corrupt politicians, harass the honest ones, and intimidate the general population. That's one of the main reasons why immigrants come to this country in the first place.

The natives on this continent were actually cleaner than the Europeans at the time. Remember, much of the indigenous population was wiped out due to European diseases which they had no immunity to. You seem to look down upon the indigenous population of Mexico but tell me what great empires existed in the Philippines before the arrival of the Spaniards.

[El Jesus]

****, read the article below, your folks ain't an asset to this country, if anything y'all are a huge expense to this country. You keep talkin' about the great mayan civilization of centuries ago, well, since y'all invented math, why don't yo ass come up with the math to solve the Cal-State's budget crisis. You don't think having overcrowded prisons and a ton of uneducated criminals, undocumented illegals(mostly from Mexico) suck up the system. Y'all are a huge reason for that crisis? Go ahead Mr. Mathematician, do the math. lets see your answers since you are of Mayan blood and came from a long line of scientists and mathematicians(lmao)



With Jail Costs Rising, Arizona Wants to Build Private Prison in Mexico


By JAMES BROOKE
Published: April 20, 1997

Arizona prison officials have watched the population of Mexican inmates skyrocket, from 58 in 1980 to 2,373 today.

At the same time, they have watched American factory owners move south of the border to take advantage of Mexico's low wages.

So it seemed natural to Gov. Fife Symington, a **********, to propose a twist to the North American Free Trade Agreement: a plan to build a private 1,600-inmate prison in Mexico to house the bulk of Arizona's Mexican prisoners.

''It would mean big dollars to the operator and to the Mexican economy,'' said Terry L. Stewart, State Corrections Director. On April 10, Mr. Stewart received two responses to a request for feasibility studies, one from a prison company based in Florida and the other from a group in Mexico.

The Governor's chief of staff, Jay Heiler, has joined the sales pitch. ''We have a lot of rural communities around Arizona that compete for prison projects,'' Mr. Heiler said. ''So it is not as if we are trying to send some kind of ugly industry south of the border.''

This year, the cost of incarcerating the Mexicans is expected to hit $40 million, a bill that is largely paid by the three and a half million residents of the state.

A private prison in Mexico could halve that cost, estimated Michael Garretson, chief operating officer of the Correctional Services Corporation of Sarasota, Fla., the company that submitted a proposal. Labor accounts for 70 percent of the cost of running a prison in the United States, he said.

''It's a great idea, a great concept,'' said Mr. Garretson, whose company runs a 400-bed prison here and is building another, with 600 beds, in Florence.

To push the idea, Correctional Services, the Mexican group and Arizona officials have held talks with officials from the state of Sonora, which borders Arizona.

Although some state officials in Mexico are open to the idea, it faces a formidable obstacle: it would require a treaty between the United States and Mexico.

From Washington, a spokesman for the State Department cautioned that states could not conduct their own foreign policies.

''Any kind of international agreement of that kind would have to be between two national governments,'' the spokesman, a Latin America specialist, said on the condition of anonymity. ''I don't know how two states could effect that legally.''

The Mexican Consul General here, Luis Cabrera, said that without a treaty, there would be jurisdictional problems. ''Prisons in Mexico cannot be managed by foreign authorities,'' Mr. Cabrera said.

A spokeswoman for the Foreign Ministry in Mexico City limited herself in a telephone interview to saying: ''There have not been any serious discussions. Nothing has been decided.''

Mr. Garretson said state officials were blunter when talking with him in Sonora. ''We got a lot of discussion of sovereignty, local control, even the word imperialism,'' he said.

In contrast, Axel C. F. Holm, an American member of the Mexican group that is studying the proposal, said of his contacts with Sonoran officials: ''They seem to be very open to the idea. We haven't met any real resistance.''

''The Mexicans are interested in repatriation of their citizens,'' said Mr. Holm, whose group, based in Sonora, is called la Comision Para Estudio de Prision Particular, or the Committee for the Study of a Private Prison. ''Our group formed in Mexico because the prison is going to be located in Mexico.''

Although the idea might have sounded outlandish 15 years ago, its currency today stems from the growing population of foreigners in American jails. Foreigners account for 27 percent of the 109,000 prisoners in Federal prisons, according to the Bureau of Prisons. Of the total, Mexicans account for 10 percent, or 11,000.

On the state level, Mexicans account for 9.5 percent of the 145,000 inmates in California and 10.5 percent of the 22,697 inmates in Arizona. Over the last five years, the number of Mexicans jailed in Arizona has jumped 72 percent, double the 36 percent rate of increase for the state's prison population as a whole.

New York and Florida, two other states with large populations of foreign prisoners, have responded by speeding deportations. Early release is conditioned on a prisoner's promising never to return to the United States.

''Our interest is getting foreign nationals, especially nonviolent offenders, out of our system,'' said James B. Flateau, a spokesman for the New York State Department of Correctional Services. ''We would not be interested in operating a state prison outside the borders of New York.''

But California and Arizona, states that border Mexico, have been reluctant to deport prisoners before their sentences are up. Instead, prison authorities in both states have asked for Federal help.

''We have been hammering away at the Federal Government to give us the money to house them,'' a spokesman for the California Corrections Department, Tip Kindel, said of the 14,000 Mexicans in state prisons there. ''Or better yet, take them off our hands and house them in Federal prisons.''

Im not mexican, save it. I just happen to respect the culture that used to be. It should have been obvious from my other post that im black.

[Caxcan]

lmao,rofl, Dude, do you understand Ingles? Did you read the article. They're already workin' on a thousand + mile fence, there's no demand for yo labor. And just in case you didn't notice, you no longer see the human litter that used to loiter H*me Depot parking lots. The litter has been swept away and dumped back where it belongs -> The Litter Box of N. America

There's no demand for my labor because I'm American and I make a very good living. Youre suggesting that McCain is somehow going to stop immigration from Mexico when he's actually for a comprehensive plan that includes border
security, implementing a guest worker program, and giving legal status to immigrants who have resided in this country for a number of years. **********s were in control of the white house and congress for many years yet they never acted on this issue. Why? Because they realize that our economy has always relied on cheap labor in order to give us an economic advantage. It started with indentured servitude back during colonial days, then slavery from Africa (thank god that finally came to an end but then Jim crow laws were put in place to keep blacks on plantations), then it was immigration from Europe and now it's immigration from Mexico. That trend isnt about to end anytime soon.

"L.A. City Council approves day laborer ordinance
The Associated Press
Article Launched: 08/14/2008 05:44:32 AM PDT

LOS ANGELES—The Los Angeles City Council has approved an ordinance that could be used to require home improvement stores to provide shelter, water and bathrooms for day laborers looking for work.

The ordinance, which passed unanimously, says that big box stores like Home Depot built in the future receive "conditional-use" permits, which would allow city officials to impose the restrictions.

Councilman Bernard Parks who first proposed the ordinance four years ago says it is the first move of many to try to improve conditions for such workers. "