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  • Bad-Wlad
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    what are Alexis Arguello best fights ?

    what are Alexis Arguello best fights? ive just brought a career dvd of Arguello what fights should i watch which ones are his best displays most entertaining etc
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    Originally posted by Bad-Wlad
    what are Alexis Arguello best fights? ive just brought a career dvd of Arguello what fights should i watch which ones are his best displays most entertaining etc
    Well, there are so many spanning across a very long time. He lost his first title shot against the great Ernesto Marcel, then his next shot was against the great Olivares which he win and is a must see fight. The next big fights would be the Escalera fights. Incredible! Also his second and other only 'prime' loss to Vilomar Fernandez is a very interesting fight.

    There are so many great fights of his it is hard to choose. You could watch the majority and love every single one. All were good fights and against good fighters. Though admittedly a lot were tailor made for him: Chacon, Castillo, Navarette, Boza Edwards, Ramirez, Watt, Mancini, Pryor, Costello, and on and on.

    Of course the Olivares, Escalera, Chacon, Mancini, Pryor are all must see fights. He had a lot of trouble with slick boxers who gave him a lot of lateral movement, as evidenced by his only two 'prime' (You could argue whether he was in his prime against Pryor. I'm not going to, but, you could) losses to Marcel and Fernandez (who had, interestingly, been brutalised by Duran a few fights previously and knocked out for the only time, I believe), two great fighters in their own right, especially Marcel (also a Duran victim funnily enough).

    Amazing fighter and an amazing person.
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      ^^ That post sums it up, his fight against Boza Edwards was good to watch as well.

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        #4
        Originally posted by BennyST
        Well, there are so many spanning across a very long time. He lost his first title shot against the great Ernesto Marcel, then his next shot was against the great Olivares which he win and is a must see fight. The next big fights would be the Escalera fights. Incredible! Also his second and other only 'prime' loss to Vilomar Fernandez is a very interesting fight.

        There are so many great fights of his it is hard to choose. You could watch the majority and love every single one. All were good fights and against good fighters. Though admittedly a lot were tailor made for him: Chacon, Castillo, Navarette, Boza Edwards, Ramirez, Watt, Mancini, Pryor, Costello, and on and on.

        Of course the Olivares, Escalera, Chacon, Mancini, Pryor are all must see fights. He had a lot of trouble with slick boxers who gave him a lot of lateral movement, as evidenced by his only two 'prime' (You could argue whether he was in his prime against Pryor. I'm not going to, but, you could) losses to Marcel and Fernandez (who had, interestingly, been brutalised by Duran a few fights previously and knocked out for the only time, I believe), two great fighters in their own right, especially Marcel (also a Duran victim funnily enough).

        Amazing fighter and an amazing person.
        8 years later, thanks!

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          Originally posted by BennyST
          Well, there are so many spanning across a very long time. He lost his first title shot against the great Ernesto Marcel, then his next shot was against the great Olivares which he win and is a must see fight. The next big fights would be the Escalera fights. Incredible! Also his second and other only 'prime' loss to Vilomar Fernandez is a very interesting fight.

          There are so many great fights of his it is hard to choose. You could watch the majority and love every single one. All were good fights and against good fighters. Though admittedly a lot were tailor made for him: Chacon, Castillo, Navarette, Boza Edwards, Ramirez, Watt, Mancini, Pryor, Costello, and on and on.

          Of course the Olivares, Escalera, Chacon, Mancini, Pryor are all must see fights. He had a lot of trouble with slick boxers who gave him a lot of lateral movement, as evidenced by his only two 'prime' (You could argue whether he was in his prime against Pryor. I'm not going to, but, you could) losses to Marcel and Fernandez (who had, interestingly, been brutalised by Duran a few fights previously and knocked out for the only time, I believe), two great fighters in their own right, especially Marcel (also a Duran victim funnily enough).

          Amazing fighter and an amazing person.
          You'd say Ramierz was tailor made for Arguello?

          I disagree, Ramierz styliscally was a nightmare and I thought Ramierz was very unlucky to lose that one. I had him winning.

          My favourite Arguello performance was Ray Mancini, one of my favourite ever finishes.

          Jim Watt bout had a close place in my heart because I was in attendance.

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            Originally posted by nivek535
            8 years later, thanks!
            8 years! That's crazy. Can't believe it has gone by so quickly and I can't believe I'm still here too!

            Originally posted by IronDanHamza
            You'd say Ramierz was tailor made for Arguello?

            I disagree, Ramierz styliscally was a nightmare and I thought Ramierz was very unlucky to lose that one. I had him winning.

            My favourite Arguello performance was Ray Mancini, one of my favourite ever finishes.

            Jim Watt bout had a close place in my heart because I was in attendance.
            Just a general sort of observation, not a big thing really. Didn't turn out that way obviously. But on paper I think he certainly was. Taller, longer reach, maybe a bit faster, more sound technically, a bit more versatile, a bit bigger puncher and much more experienced and proven at the elite level. The only thing he had against him was Ramirez being a southpaw and maybe a natural lightweight, that's it, but I think this was key for Ramirez. It obviously tuned out very different for him. One of his hardest fights and yes, probably should have lost or drawn it.
            Last edited by BennyST; 02-21-2016, 07:55 AM.

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              Originally posted by BennyST
              8 years! That's crazy. Can't believe it has gone by so quickly and I can't believe I'm still here too!



              Just a general sort of observation, not a big thing really. Didn't turn out that way obviously. But on paper I think he certainly was. Taller, longer reach, maybe a bit faster, more sound technically, a bit more versatile, a bit bigger puncher and much more experienced and proven at the elite level. The only thing he had against him was Ramirez being a southpaw and maybe a natural lightweight, that's it, but I think this was key for Ramirez. It obviously tuned out very different for him. One of his hardest fights and yes, probably should have lost or drawn it.
              Disagree about him being more versatile.

              I think the key for victory for Ramirez in that fight was his defense and footwork, he made Arguello look extremely ordinary for the vast majority of the fight.

              The southpaw stance played a part, Arguello did better against orthodox fighters outside of Jim Watt who frankly wasn't near his level and also seemed star struck by the Wembley lights when he faced Arguello and mentally checked out early.

              Back to Ramirez, an amazing performance on his part and great defensive and counter punching display. No knock on Arguello (one of my all time favourite fighters) because Ramirez is one of the most underrated fighters possibly ever IMO.

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