b-hop vs calslappy fair decision? or not?

[abadger]

I don't want to get in the name game. There are a million threads about that. The main point that comes across all those threads are the "BUMS" or "nobodies" etc etc that people refer to them as that he TKO/KO'ed. I've seen a fair share of his "KO's" I couldn't tell you who some of those guys were back then but I do know when challenged with so called "legit" guys like Lacy you speak of or Kessler He couldn't finish with his TKO'KO's. (Yes I know age comes into factor) But again I don't want this to turn into a name game where who was who and so on...

This is just my opinion and when and if Calzaghe goes into the HOF, the KO/TKO you speak off will have little interest in the decision. The Eubank, Lacy, Kessler, Hop, MAYBE Jones and possibly Pavlik will most likely be looked at for his HOF status. Like HOP is referred too, which is fighting A LOT of nobodies, no one wants to look to his PAST of 19 defenses and bla bla. Everyone only speaks of his current wins that will put him down as a legend and so on and so on...

Anyway i'm not trying to turn this into a name game/hater thread.. like MOST are easily turned into when someone else disagrees with the other.

WESS, if you don't know **** about Calzaghe's opposition then you should shut up about them. You are embarassing yourself without even realising it. You can get away with it because most on these boards are like you and haven't seen any of Calzaghe's pre-Lacy defences, but some us have seen all of them, and know that you are talking ****. If you can't name an opponent against whom Calzaghe 'wild and flailingly slapped his way to victory in the olympic style' then you can't say that he did, because you don't actually know.

[WESS]

You know i often wonder what peoples reaction would have been if Calzaghe would have said that he will never lose to a blackman !???
if you think hes hated now,****ing hell just imagine!

It was ****** and childish and I do not support that particular statement BUT I agree with PREFIGHT HYPING. It sells, people get all worked up over it and it sells PPV. Look what Mayweather did to HATTON. Mayweather had people that didn't even watch boxing buy the PPV just because they wanted to see if he would lose. Mayweather was genius at what he did. He became the "BAD GUY" and talked SO MUCH **** to hatton and his country that people bought the fight. Which put money in both there pockets. Ali did it, he called Frazer a MONKEY or a BIG DUMB moneky something along those lines dont quote me! But point is, it sells! I'm sure what HOP said put quit a FEW dollars in Joe's pocket. Its a sport but its also a business and what HOP did was ****** yet very SMART!

[Stickman]

I don't want to get in the name game. There are a million threads about that. The main point that comes across all those threads are the "BUMS" or "nobodies" etc etc that people refer to them as that he TKO/KO'ed. I've seen a fair share of his "KO's" I couldn't tell you who some of those guys were back then but I do know when challenged with so called "legit" guys like Lacy you speak of or Kessler He couldn't finish with his TKO'KO's. (Yes I know age comes into factor) But again I don't want this to turn into a name game where who was who and so on...

This is just my opinion and when and if Calzaghe goes into the HOF, the KO/TKO you speak off will have little interest in the decision. The Eubank, Lacy, Kessler, Hop, MAYBE Jones and possibly Pavlik will most likely be looked at for his HOF status. Like HOP is referred too, which is fighting A LOT of nobodies, no one wants to look to his PAST of 19 defenses and bla bla. Everyone only speaks of his current wins that will put him down as a legend and so on and so on...

Anyway i'm not trying to turn this into a name game/hater thread.. like MOST are easily turned into when someone else disagrees with the other.

No need in getting into the "name game" as you call it. Just do the math itself. In his first 22 fights, 18 ended in a KO within 2 rounds. And 10 of those were in the first round. Only 1 of those 22 fights was a decision win (8 rounds), the others were all KO's. I think it would be difficult to find any fault in that sort of record. And when you look at the records of his opponents (many, if not most of them) they're impressive in their own rite.

And think about this: ANY fighter who "steps up" in his career is going to have fewer early KO wins. That, added to the simple fact that Calzaghe has grown protective of his hands, and you begin to see how impressive his later wins really are.

[WESS]

WESS, if you don't know **** about Calzaghe's opposition then you should shut up about them. You are embarassing yourself without even realising it. You can get away with it because most on these boards are like you and haven't seen any of Calzaghe's pre-Lacy defences, but some us have seen all of them, and know that you are talking ****. If you can't name an opponent against whom Calzaghe 'wild and flailingly slapped his way to victory in the olympic style' then you can't say that he did, because you don't actually know.

lol why are you getting mad. Isn't there NOT a million threads already stating what the conversation is going to be. I'm not embarrassing myself or anyone for that matter. I just don't feel like proving anything, I don't need to, I could sit here and type names or cheat by coping some others posts or go to boxrec and copy and past and etc etc. There is NO point to it. I don't want to get into the "everyone he fought were BUMS" and that is the reason he KO/TKO'ed them and bla bla bla. See where its going.... this is not a hate thread. This is about HOP and Joe and who won.

"As always" anytime someone disagrees with "YOUS GUYS" you try and turn it into a hate thread. lol calm down already..... geeeeezzzzzzzz.

I already said my opinion. Why would I even WANT to try and PROVE anything to YOU. You obviously have you biased opinion on me. I don't need to prove anything at all to you. Or any Calzaghe FAN for that matter. It makes no sense too. So chillax and remember to fill ya glasses and grab those girls asses and just keep that **** rollin.....

[WESS]

No need in getting into the "name game" as you call it. Just do the math itself. In his first 22 fights, 18 ended in a KO within 2 rounds. And 10 of those were in the first round. Only 1 of those 22 fights was a decision win (8 rounds), the others were all KO's. I think it would be difficult to find any fault in that sort of record. And when you look at the records of his opponents (many, if not most of them) they're impressive in their own rite.

And think about this: ANY fighter who "steps up" in his career is going to have fewer early KO wins. That, added to the simple fact that Calzaghe has grown protective of his hands, and you begin to see how impressive his later wins really are.

lol....... What decent fighter doesn't have high KO rate in the early stages of there career? Joe stopped KO'ing people when he stepped his "GAME UP" and fought "REAL TALENT" as I THINK i've said 2 or 3 times.

PAV has a 90% KO rate and everyone calls him a BUM and that he hasn't fought ANYONE either!

Now have a coke and a smile.....

[WESS]

Again, I'm not trying to make this into a "HATE" thread and NOT trying to hurt anyone's sensitive feelings. I've said what I believe and I'm not alone on how I feel. I just know when a Joe Calzaghe fan has even the slightest difference in opinions, **** hits the fan and they cry to the loudest extent turning threads into just the opposite of what the thread starter intended for it to be. Unless of course it was just a HATE THREAD to begin with. Stop getting EMOTIONALLY INVOLVED every time someone doesn't agree with you (calzaghe fans). My original post was agreeing with SD....

[Stickman]

Again, I'm not trying to make this into a "HATE" thread and NOT trying to hurt anyone's sensitive feelings. I've said what I believe and I'm not alone on how I feel. I just know when a Joe Calzaghe fan has even the slightest difference in opinions, **** hits the fan and they cry to the loudest extent turning threads into just the opposite of what the thread starter intended for it to be. Unless of course it was just a HATE THREAD to begin with. Stop getting EMOTIONALLY INVOLVED every time someone doesn't agree with you (calzaghe fans). My original post was agreeing with SD....

I think your mistake is thinking that I'm even remotely emotional about anything except for the sport itself. I'm looking at sheer numbers, which you vaguely suggested yourself. You should compare Calzaghe's record, and that of his opponents with other fighters you consider to be in the same class. Criteria should be KO percentage, early KO percentage, and that of their opponents. Even without using any names at all, you see some very surprising things. I won't spoil it, check it out yourself.

As for being a fan of Calzaghe....yep, I am. The guy is impressive. So is HOpkins. Though I despise the man Hopkins, I have to respect the fighter and his accomplishments. I'm also a fan of maybe 2 dozen other fighters, not just those guys who are popular, but those who strike me as unique for one reason or another. I can't think of any boxer that I actually hate....wait, Ruiz I suppose, but hey...doesn't everybody? Anyway, I'm a boxing fan, first and foremost, and if you're looking for someone to be non-bias and impartial, then I'm the guy you're looking for. In my opinion, you're far more guilty of being anti-Calzaghe than I am of being Pro-Calzaghe.

My motto? Neither a nutsucker nor a hater be.

Maybe one or two of you will "get" that motto, maybe not. I keep forgetting what crowd I'm fraternizing with here.

[garryd]

PAV has a 90% KO rate and everyone calls him a BUM and that he hasn't fought ANYONE either!

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well its true!
Hes only ever fought one fight worth a sqwert of P!SS !

[garryd]

I think your mistake is thinking that I'm even remotely emotional about anything except for the sport itself. I'm looking at sheer numbers, which you vaguely suggested yourself. You should compare Calzaghe's record, and that of his opponents with other fighters you consider to be in the same class. Criteria should be KO percentage, early KO percentage, and that of their opponents. Even without using any names at all, you see some very surprising things. I won't spoil it, check it out yourself.

As for being a fan of Calzaghe....yep, I am. The guy is impressive. So is HOpkins. Though I despise the man Hopkins, I have to respect the fighter and his accomplishments. I'm also a fan of maybe 2 dozen other fighters, not just those guys who are popular, but those who strike me as unique for one reason or another. I can't think of any boxer that I actually hate....wait, Ruiz I suppose, but hey...doesn't everybody? Anyway, I'm a boxing fan, first and foremost, and if you're looking for someone to be non-bias and impartial, then I'm the guy you're looking for. In my opinion, you're far more guilty of being anti-Calzaghe than I am of being Pro-Calzaghe.

My motto? Neither a nutsucker nor a hater be.

Maybe one or two of you will "get" that motto, maybe not. I keep forgetting what crowd I'm fraternizing with here.

ttt.........

[Johnny Rebel]

The decision was fair but Calzaghe deserved the unanimous decision since he clearly won eight or nine rounds.