Judah is a bum and I will tell you why...

[LEFTYGUNZZ]

i agree to an extent Tyson had good upperbody movement and he was a good at countering but against the likes of Holy,Lenny he is reduced to just a puncher cause that is his best chance to beat either of them cause imo he aint decisioning either of them

Tyson was good and could of been better but i dont see any Mike Tyson beating a prime Holy or Lewis

The first fight with Holy Tyson was not reduced to just a puncher he got frustrated with Holy leading with his head and all. Grappling on the inside and Holy hit harder then Tyson thought and countered Mike proficently. Nothing from Holy in their first match up he fought the perfect fight. tyson when he fought Lewis in 02 was reduced to a one punch artist way before he ever stepped in that ring. In the early rounds when he was moving his head and jabbing his way in he had Lewis worried and Stew was yelling at Lennox in his corner. This ia a dangerous man get him outta there what the F are you doing?? If Tyson fought Lewis in like 89-90 he would have ate him never mind his unborn children. Razor Ruddock was no bum. he was a tough fighter. Big used his jab and could punch. Tyson beat him twice.

[Dynamite Kid]

The first fight with Holy Tyson was not reduced to just a puncher he got frustrated with Holy leading with his head and all. Grappling on the inside and Holy hit harder then Tyson thought and countered Mike proficently. Nothing from Holy in their first match up he fought the perfect fight. tyson when he fought Lewis in 02 was reduced to a one punch artist way before he ever stepped in that ring. In the early rounds when he was moving his head and jabbing his way in he had Lewis worried and Stew was yelling at Lennox in his corner. This ia a dangerous man get him outta there what the F are you doing?? If Tyson fought Lewis in like 89-90 he would have ate him never mind his unborn children. Razor Ruddock was no bum. he was a tough fighter. Big used his jab and could punch. Tyson beat him twice.

he was never going to win a decison over Holy or Lewis so that tells me he had a punchers chance to win

what ever the case he got frustrated your job is to Box not complain to the ref,a lot of other people got butted by Holy they did not do what Mike did

[LEFTYGUNZZ]

he was never going to win a decison over Holy or Lewis so that tells me he had a punchers chance to win

what ever the case he got frustrated your job is to Box not complain to the ref,a lot of other people got butted by Holy they did not do what Mike did

Did you see Rahman's head? After the cat get let out of the bag on Holy and his greatness was no more Reffs stopped letting him get away with stuff in the ring. If someone was head butting me like that and opened up my eye brows I wouldn't want to grapple with them either and I would complain to the reff. Now we are talking tyson Holy I not the infamous ear biting Tyson Holy II. Lets keep that away from this discussion sir. Holy had a great 3 punch combo right hand head butt and left to the body. He was one of the dirtiest fighters that had a good rep. Benard Hopkins fights much of the same way and he gets blasted by reffs. Against Lewis if it would have happened in his early career pre Robin Givens / Don King in the Cus / Teddy / Katan days Mike destroys Lewis. uses his jab to get in bounces from side to side not giving Lewis angles to pucnh back on rips lefts to the body and haed vicious uppercuts through the middle and Lewis ends up flat onhis back.

[Dynamite Kid]

Did you see Rahman's head? After the cat get let out of the bag on Holy and his greatness was no more Reffs stopped letting him get away with stuff in the ring. If someone was head butting me like that and opened up my eye brows I wouldn't want to grapple with them either and I would complain to the reff. Now we are talking tyson Holy I not the infamous ear biting Tyson Holy II. Lets keep that away from this discussion sir. Holy had a great 3 punch combo right hand head butt and left to the body. He was one of the dirtiest fighters that had a good rep. Benard Hopkins fights much of the same way and he gets blasted by reffs. Against Lewis if it would have happened in his early career pre Robin Givens / Don King in the Cus / Teddy / Katan days Mike destroys Lewis. uses his jab to get in bounces from side to side not giving Lewis angles to pucnh back on rips lefts to the body and haed vicious uppercuts through the middle and Lewis ends up flat onhis back.

it was as much Tyson as Holy its the way they fight AND their height Bowe did not get butted as much as Tyson because he is taller than Evander and Mike goes down and comes up with his shots a lot of the time and Mike was at fault in that fight too it was not all one way

their is a coincidence you dont want to talk about the rematch

do me a favour,you've watched to many Tyson docs he aint beating Lennox Lewis,Lennox is a top 10 ATG who is Tyson he got whipped by Douglas Holy,Lewis

a truck load of excuses is Tyson's legacy and being king of a lack luster div back in the 80's,against good fighters he got hammered or did not have the balls to keep fighting typical bully looks for a way out if you are still standing after he has hit you with his best

[LEFTYGUNZZ]

it was as much Tyson as Holy its the way they fight AND their height Bowe did not get butted as much as Tyson because he is taller than Evander and Mike goes down and comes up with his shots a lot of the time and Mike was at fault in that fight too it was not all one way

their is a coincidence you dont want to talk about the rematch

do me a favour,you've watched to many Tyson docs he aint beating Lennox Lewis,Lennox is a top 10 ATG who is Tyson he got whipped by Douglas Holy,Lewis

a truck load of excuses is Tyson's legacy and being king of a lack luster div back in the 80's,against good fighters he got hammered or did not have the balls to keep fighting typical bully looks for a way out if you are still standing after he has hit you with his best

He wasn't that way when he was with his first camp Rooney / Atlas / Cus and Katan. Robin / Don and the **** charge ruined him sir. Think what you want lets agree to disagree and call it as friends sir. Good debate I enjoyed it.

[goldenglove2]

He wasn't that way when he was with his first camp Rooney / Atlas / Cus and Katan. Robin / Don and the **** charge ruined him sir. Think what you want lets agree to disagree and call it as friends sir. Good debate I enjoyed it.

[LEFTYGUNZZ]

Everytime there is a Judah debate going I bring back this thread. I have brought it back due to the latest thread

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=250002

I like to go through threads like these and see who changes their opinon about stuff as time passes....Lefty

[larryx]

dont think that statement needs explanation

[1SILVA]

Well, you're a bit harsh on him but you are right. He does have a ****ty attitude. I especially agree with the bold. He is blessed with such natural gifts that he never really had to work really hard, just like you said.

He has taken too much punishment to be a champion again, especially at WW. Too bad. The man is truly talented..

Totally agree with your assessment of Judah 100 percent!!!! Who is that beautiful woman in your post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mickyward5656]

zab doesnt deserve his talent. to bad God didnt bless someone like micky ward with his talent