Would Manny Pacquiao go threw Mayweather's 130-135 resume undefeated?

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  • El Dominicano
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    #51
    Originally posted by them_apples
    I'm just not Impressed by Coralles, Pacquiao was a bit sloppy during his younger years but at 130 he improved a lot towards the end. Coralles didn't have amazing defense ether, everyone knows Manny can hit at 130 I just can't see him losing to a fighter that throws 10 punches per round. Pacquiao has never been 1 punch knocked down other than when he was 18 against Torecampo, and he looked like a little boy.

    Yes Corrales hits hard, but Corrales isn't a good boxer, and he's not to quick. The only reason Marquez gave Manny hell is because he's an expert boxer and his handspeed rivals Mayweathers.

    Pacquiao has just as much power at 130 as Mayweather did, he's got 35 ko's so far.
    Pacman doesn't have Mayweather's boxing skill for Diego to throw very few punches. How many did Diego throw against JLC?

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      #52
      Originally posted by El Dominicano
      I respect Pac. I was glad that he became P4P Number 1 when Mayweather left. More happy that it wasn't Calzaghe . I don't think Pacman can beat Diego/JLC but have heard many say that Pac would win. I want someone to explain to me...How will Pac win against those 2??
      Pac would work in and out flurries against castillo and break him down the way he did with diaz. Corales would be a much tougher test. I think he would stand and trade with chico. He would slip the jab and trade on the inside. Chico had a tendency to swing wide. By flurrying on the inside it would push chico to play into Pac's pace and cut his power in half.

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      • ELPacman
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        At 130-135lbs, Manny would have blitz the same opponents Mayweather did. Maybe even better due to his power and sheer aggression. His footwork is amazing, the way he setups his shots and moves in and out. Just like everyone else who faces previous Floyd opponents. They usually beat them up equally if not worse. Manny is a beast at 130 and 135lbs. He would blow away Chico probably worse because the knockdowns wouldn't be from flash hits and punches he didn't see coming. It would be from sheer power and that would hurt Diego.

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          Oh ya, but I'm not ruling out the fight with Castillo not being tough. Castillo was a monster also at that weight at that time. As long as Pac kept moving in and out with his shots and not giving Castillo the time to land his hooks to the body or mug him on the ropes, I think he woulda picked Castillo apart with power shots like his previous opponents.

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          • El Dominicano
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            #55
            Originally posted by shadeyfizzle
            Pac would work in and out flurries against castillo and break him down the way he did with diaz. Corales would be a much tougher test. I think he would stand and trade with chico. He would slip the jab and trade on the inside. Chico had a tendency to swing wide. By flurrying on the inside it would push chico to play into Pac's pace and cut his power in half.
            Thats not a good example, If Pac fought Chico the way he fought Diaz then I'm telling you Pac would get K.O'd
            Last edited by El Dominicano; 07-31-2008, 09:28 PM.

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            • poeticlsykuac
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              #56
              Originally posted by them_apples
              I'm just not Impressed by Coralles, Pacquiao was a bit sloppy during his younger years but at 130 he improved a lot towards the end. Coralles didn't have amazing defense ether, everyone knows Manny can hit at 130 I just can't see him losing to a fighter that throws 10 punches per round. Pacquiao has never been 1 punch knocked down other than when he was 18 against Torecampo, and he looked like a little boy.

              Yes Corrales hits hard, but Corrales isn't a good boxer, and he's not to quick. The only reason Marquez gave Manny hell is because he's an expert boxer and his handspeed rivals Mayweathers.

              Pacquiao has just as much power at 130 as Mayweather did, he's got 35 ko's so far.
              Did you say Marquez's speed rivals Mayweather's? Marquez's reflexes do, but Mayweather was faster at 130 then he is at 147, which is saying a lot because I'd say he is faster then Marquez now.

              Corrales isn't like any other power puncher Manny has faced, that is what I am trying to say. Corrales was a special puncher, he looked much better earlier in his career when he wasn't relying on his power. You are seriously under estimating Chico's power. Watch some old fights. Pac is a very sloppy fighter and leaves tons and I mean tons of openings.

              Pacs power at 130 isn't what I questioned, it was his tactics. Mayweather used angles to make fighter off balance and counter. Mayweather used tactics and other fighters size against them. Mayweather didn't stand toe to toe with these guys. He stayed in the pocket but he didn't trade. Mayweather did have pop, but it was his delivery method that helped him win not the power. Mayweather was amazing at this weight class and could(not necessarily would) win anyone in history. There have been plenty of fighters at 130-135 with as much power as Mayweather, but the way he used it was the reason he was so amazing.

              Pac is a power fighter, he wouldn't be the power fighter against these guys. They would the power fighters. Pac has improved and he is a world class talent but if he got stung by an old Morales right hand in winners gloves what do you think a prime Corrales right would do to him?

              Corrales wasn't a joke. You need to take the Pac glasses off and watch some of these fighters. These were big heavy handed fighters, it isn't an insult losing to these guys. Corrales had 5 losses Clottey(decision), Casemayor(young in prime) twice(TKO/SD), Mayweather(TKO), and Castillo(KO). Castillo and Casemayor could be HOFs. Clottey we have yet to see.

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                #57
                Originally posted by El Dominicano
                Thats not a good example, If Pac fought Chico the way he fought Diaz then I'm telling Pac would get K.O'd
                What??? Read again homie. I said he'd use the Diaz tactics against CASTILLO!!!! Against Chico he'd stand and trade on the inside without backing up. It will cut chico's power in half and he's too much of a warrior to clinch and smother opponents with his size even when he's getting outworked on the inside

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by DWiens421
                  I would say yes on everyone one of Floyd's opponents except for Castillo. I think JL Castillo would just be too big and good for Pacquiao.

                  Co-sign. Castillo could take him at 135 but I think he could beat the guys beat at 135. He might not KO all of em tho.

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by ELPacman
                    At 130-135lbs, Manny would have blitz the same opponents Mayweather did. Maybe even better due to his power and sheer aggression. His footwork is amazing, the way he setups his shots and moves in and out. Just like everyone else who faces previous Floyd opponents. They usually beat them up equally if not worse. Manny is a beast at 130 and 135lbs. He would blow away Chico probably worse because the knockdowns wouldn't be from flash hits and punches he didn't see coming. It would be from sheer power and that would hurt Diego.
                    Blitz Chico? Manny doesn't have that type of power. He has become and accumulation puncher at this weight class, he has power but it is his work rate that is winning him fights. He hasn't been knocking these fighters down that are in there prime at this weight class. You need to go watch some old Corrales fights, he hit ****ing hard. Manny doesn't have the straightest punches, he also doesn't have the type of footwork that Mayweather does, he has kick boxing foot work, he doesn't have very good lateral movement. I would most definitely not say that Manny's power is better then Mayweather's at 130 or 135. Again it was Mayweather's tactics that got him KOs with that combination of speed, timing, and power. Manny isn't the devastating puncher he was at 126. At 135 he has to break fighters down. Corrales didn't have to do that, he hit that hard.

                    If you stand in front of Chico you got KO'd everyone knew that Mayweather, Casamayeor, Castillo, all knew not to. Castillo got KO'd in the first fight. Mayweather moved. Joel was a slick talented fighter. Manny isn't anyone of those fighters, he lacks attributes these guys had, Mayweather an amazing boxer, Castillo bigger and stronger, and Joel slick and crafty with great ring intelligence. Manny is a brawler with some boxing skills.

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                    • El Dominicano
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                      #60
                      Originally posted by poeticlsykuac
                      Blitz Chico? Manny doesn't have that type of power. He has become and accumulation puncher at this weight class, he has power but it is his work rate that is winning him fights. He hasn't been knocking these fighters down that are in there prime at this weight class. You need to go watch some old Corrales fights, he hit ****ing hard. Manny doesn't have the straightest punches, he also doesn't have the type of footwork that Mayweather does, he has kick boxing foot work, he doesn't have very good lateral movement. I would most definitely not say that Manny's power is better then Mayweather's at 130 or 135. Again it was Mayweather's tactics that got him KOs with that combination of speed, timing, and power. Manny isn't the devastating puncher he was at 126. At 135 he has to break fighters down. Corrales didn't have to do that, he hit that hard.

                      If you stand in front of Chico you got KO'd everyone knew that Mayweather, Casamayeor, Castillo, all knew not to. Castillo got KO'd in the first fight. Mayweather moved. Joel was a slick talented fighter. Manny isn't anyone of those fighters, he lacks attributes these guys had, Mayweather an amazing boxer, Castillo bigger and stronger, and Joel slick and crafty with great ring intelligence. Manny is a brawler with some boxing skills.
                      Thats all they need to know. Pac vs Diego is like Cotto vs Margarito wait no, WORST

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