The Morning-After Pill: What Miguel Quitto did wrong....

[MindBat]

If you think Cotto speed, accuracy,and defensive foot were exceptional.

Just Imagine Mayweather would have done to Margarito.

Mayweather 20x faster than Cotto
Mayweather 50x more accurate than Cotto
Mayweather 1000x better defensive foot work better than Cotto.

This is the point some people dont get when looking at Mayweather.
The only way for Floyd to be consider to be a in FAIR FIGHT.

is a fight in where he is at a huge disadvantage in some area.

Think about that.?


NAME 5 OTHER FIGHTERS IN HISTORY THAT HAD THAT
PERCEPTION..!!!!


Why is that Floyd mayweather can not be in a fight where he is not at a huge disadvantage. in order for it to be a fair fight.

But nobody says anything where every other fighter does it.


That perception right there...tells you how great he is...
The Perception is, Floyd has to fight at a disadvantage for it to be a fair fight.!

AND THE ONE TIME MIGUEL COTTO HAD TO FIGHT AT A DISADVANTAGE...
HE COULD NOT HANDLE IT.!!!


THATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GREAT FIGHTERS, and GOOD FIGHTERS..
Thats the differences Be Legends and non legends
THATS THE DIFFERENCE between Mayweather and Cotto.

Not only that, but he can match and maybe even surpass Margo in the stamina dept.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Not only that, but he can match and maybe even surpass Margo in the stamina dept.

I will admit that Mayweather was the best poundforpound fighter when he was still fighting. I don't know how he would do with Marg because of Margs size and power.

I do agree that he would have a better chance of beating Marg than Cotto because it would take a phenomenal boxer to beat Marg and Mayweather is the best one out there right now.

[xxjace]

Miguel Cotto made a number of mistakes (IMHO). As I was watching the fight, I was observing these.

1) Where was the bodywork? Miguel went almost exclusively upstairs. While he was snapping Tony's head, he failed to balance his attack by employing jabs to the stomach to disrupt Tony, and left hooks to the body to soften TM up.

2) Too much movement. FMJ is often called a "runner". I have watched every FMJ fight since he was a prospect. I have NEVER seen him run as much as Miguel did. While some (SOME!) of that movement was warranted, Migs wasted GOBS of energy with the 10K that he ran in the ring. Where was the clinching? Clinching eats up time, and gives you a breather. Why didn't he ever tie Tony up and walk him back? If you look at fights like FMJ/hatton, or Oscar/Vargas, they tied their man up, or used smart breaks to take some of the steam off. You can't RUN for 12 rounds. Running backwards and changing directions uses more energy than the guy who is just walking forward. Imagine if Tony had even the slightest inkling on how to cut off a ring.

3) Quitto kept it on the perimeter. Who has done well against Tony? Clottey? Yes. Williams? Surely. Where were those fights fought? Largely in the center of the ring. Up close. Who has done really poorly against TM? Golden. Cintron. and now Quito. Where did they all get knocked out? against the ropes. You can't stay at arms length vs a tall man. Sugar Ray Leonard found that out vs Hearns, and that is why he came inside and became the ****er. Quitto's mistake is that he was ending up on the powerful part of Tony's punches, instead of stepping inside and smothering that power. He allowed Margie to have full leverage. Never tied him up with elbows, forearms, holding, etc.

4) One pace. Think about the fight. You almost can't distinguish one round from the next. The fight was going by so fast for two reasons: a) it was a very good fight. But b) because it was the same **** happening over and over. Do you remember when Floyd had ricky hurt at the end of round 8? What did he do in round 9? Move in for the kill? No. He jabbed Ricky silly. Changed the pace. Kept the guy off balance. Boxing is about adjustments. Miguel just kept circling and countering, and Tony kept getting closer and closer. Against Shane, Miguel made the late-round adjustment to backpedal and box. Against Tony, he tried that tactic for the WHOLE FIGHT. This sounds strange to say, but the fight I was reminded of mostly was Taylor-Chavez.

5) "Don't try this at home". There are guys who can sit on the ropes and defend and who feel very comfortable there. They can stay on the ropes and avoid leather all night. Those guys have names like Whitaker and Mayweather. Miguel, you are a terrific fighter. But that isn't your game. You are not Pea. And you are not Floyd. When you went to the ropes, you basically sat there and countered....but you ate leather.

6)Don't read your own press. Everybody was saying that the fight turned into the fight they expected. That was good for Tony, and bad for Miguel. Tony is largely a one-trick pony. Miguelhas the more comprehensive skills package. I believe that Quitto pretty much bought in to all the experts opinions. I'm not saying that he relied on that. But he certainly felt that his superior boxing (that earned the early 3:1 odds) was enough to win.

That is the Dios viewpoint. I may become smarter after breakfast. Later.

Good read.

[bdevils]

Miguel Cotto made a number of mistakes (IMHO). As I was watching the fight, I was observing these.

1) [B]Where was the bodywork? Miguel went almost exclusively upstairs. While he was snapping Tony's head, he failed to balance his attack by employing jabs to the stomach to disrupt Tony, and left hooks to the body to soften TM up.[/B]

2) Too much movement. FMJ is often called a "runner". I have watched every FMJ fight since he was a prospect. I have NEVER seen him run as much as Miguel did. While some (SOME!) of that movement was warranted, Migs wasted GOBS of energy with the 10K that he ran in the ring. Where was the clinching? Clinching eats up time, and gives you a breather. Why didn't he ever tie Tony up and walk him back? If you look at fights like FMJ/hatton, or Oscar/Vargas, they tied their man up, or used smart breaks to take some of the steam off. You can't RUN for 12 rounds. Running backwards and changing directions uses more energy than the guy who is just walking forward. Imagine if Tony had even the slightest inkling on how to cut off a ring.

3) Quitto kept it on the perimeter. Who has done well against Tony? Clottey? Yes. Williams? Surely. Where were those fights fought? Largely in the center of the ring. Up close. Who has done really poorly against TM? Golden. Cintron. and now Quito. Where did they all get knocked out? against the ropes. You can't stay at arms length vs a tall man. Sugar Ray Leonard found that out vs Hearns, and that is why he came inside and became the ****er. Quitto's mistake is that he was ending up on the powerful part of Tony's punches, instead of stepping inside and smothering that power. He allowed Margie to have full leverage. Never tied him up with elbows, forearms, holding, etc.

4) One pace. Think about the fight. You almost can't distinguish one round from the next. The fight was going by so fast for two reasons: a) it was a very good fight. But b) because it was the same **** happening over and over. Do you remember when Floyd had ricky hurt at the end of round 8? What did he do in round 9? Move in for the kill? No. He jabbed Ricky silly. Changed the pace. Kept the guy off balance. Boxing is about adjustments. Miguel just kept circling and countering, and Tony kept getting closer and closer. Against Shane, Miguel made the late-round adjustment to backpedal and box. Against Tony, he tried that tactic for the WHOLE FIGHT. This sounds strange to say, but the fight I was reminded of mostly was Taylor-Chavez.

5) "Don't try this at home". There are guys who can sit on the ropes and defend and who feel very comfortable there. They can stay on the ropes and avoid leather all night. Those guys have names like Whitaker and Mayweather. Miguel, you are a terrific fighter. But that isn't your game. You are not Pea. And you are not Floyd. When you went to the ropes, you basically sat there and countered....but you ate leather.

6)Don't read your own press. Everybody was saying that the fight turned into the fight they expected. That was good for Tony, and bad for Miguel. Tony is largely a one-trick pony. Miguelhas the more comprehensive skills package. I believe that Quitto pretty much bought in to all the experts opinions. I'm not saying that he relied on that. But he certainly felt that his superior boxing (that earned the early 3:1 odds) was enough to win.

That is the Dios viewpoint. I may become smarter after breakfast. Later.

You are exactly right. As much credit as I will give to Tony for doing what he had to do I gotta say that I feel Cotto completely blow that fight for not attacking the body whatsoever and laying against the ropes. Just not his style.

[Horus]

I will admit that Mayweather was the best poundforpound fighter when he was still fighting. I don't know how he would do with Marg because of Margs size and power.

I do agree that he would have a better chance of beating Marg than Cotto because it would take a phenomenal boxer to beat Marg and Mayweather is the best one out there right now.

Cotto never fought a prime highly ranked fighter in his entire career and now it came back to bit him in the ass...in the name of margarito

[FISTIC ART]

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DLH has a great style matchup for margarito.........

DLH likes when you come forward.........

DLH uses a technique which sets up his left hook....

you come in... he lets you throw your shots.... setting you up for a left hook...

which is done by parrying and timing your punches.....

DLH is a master at the parry......

watch his fights and youll notice what im talking about....even mayweather realized it and stopped throwing alot of punches when he fought him.....

margarito is slow which would add to oscar being able to parry and time him...

now the question is as oscar allows margarito in can oscar take the blows....

and on the opposite end if margarito gets hit with the left hook can his chin take it......

ill pick oscar for the win......

but with that said.......

great job by margarito last night.........

[FISTIC ART]

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cotto defintely should have clinched more last night......

ali used to hold the back of the head of his opponent when he fought a pressure guy.......meaning he would hold the back of his head down which is a tactic used to tire a guy out.......

if you clinch it actually tires out the other boxer.....

cotto didnt clinch at all........

maybe he didnt feel the need to or maybe margarito wouldnt allow it.....

who knows but clinching would have added a round or 2 to cottos gas which might have helped him make it through the fight.....

and get a decision.........

[Audie78]

Greetings from a newcomer,

I guess I will give some of my views.

going into this fight i was rooting a AM , although im somewhat of a cotto fan but i live in southern San Diego about 5 minutes from TJ so had to go for AM.

we definitely need to take our hats off to both these men for bringing back something that once was lost. the courage displayed was unbelievable on both parts.

one person already nailed it, it wasn't cotto who did something wrong it was AM that did everything to a T. people will argue that he didnt land enough to the body, well its easy for us to say when we're the ones not getting hit.
Cotto saw openings upstairs which most likely got him head hunting but the problem was AM took everything cotto had and was willing to take the shots upstairs to get his body attack going. if cotto decided to revert back for one it was to far in and two he must be willing to uncover that chin which i believe in the early rounds cooto felt AM had some **** to his punch and noted that if i hit his body my bell is going to be rung.

AM is no joke when it comes to power, cotto's will must have been broken once he seen that this guy just ate and spit out my best punches and keeps comming to hurt me, i don't care who you are man if some dude just took my best licks and he's still trying to murder me, there's a serious fricken problem there.

no doubt that cotto beat AM's face a little bit he did what he could do AM just outworked him. AM tested cotto's power and said "hey i can deal with this, lets see if he can handle me now.

On a second note and let it be known this is my opinion on future fights for AM, now i know some of you will be a little heated as i noticed some of you resort to calling people idiots as i seen in early post on this subject , so let it be know that calling a person an idiot because they have a different view that don't follow yours is immature and only makes you look less intelligent. i don't believe in Jesus but im not going up to Christians and saying your a ****ing "idiot" for believing in that. oops off topic ...

Anyhow a fight with mayweather probably is not going to happen .. after what he saw and no doubt he was watching this he simply does not have the power to stop him, great speed footwork all around great fighter but ricky hatton proved you can get in you can do some damage only difference is AM can Hit and hurt you even worse and he will keep moving at you with your shots and dig in. to much to risk for floyd he wants to be known as the greatest P4P and a fight with AM will disprove what he think is fact. we will see alot of clinching but the size of AM will tire him out, (something about a big guy leaning on you throughout a fight will get you tired quick) hatton did good with that vs Tzu although an ulgy fight.

DLH? he's better off fighting pacman.. for his sake. DLH will run out of gas without question.

Williams? redemption AM will know to pick up the pace.

Now Trinidad? thats a fight to see but the outcome might be what you saw tonight but the big difference is tito's punching power that boy can ****. but that probably wont happen , don't think tito wants to go back down, but what a start of an epic fight.

anyhow thank you all for reading hope i bored no one , if so sorry no refunds on your life being wasted on reading this.

much love and thank you

we will see what the future holds

Edit: maybe if they met at a catch weight of 154 that fight could happen maybe with tito.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Anyhow a fight with mayweather probably is not going to happen .. after what he saw and no doubt he was watching this he simply does not have the power to stop him, great speed footwork all around great fighter but ricky hatton proved you can get in you can do some damage only difference is AM can Hit and hurt you even worse and he will keep moving at you with your shots and dig in. to much to risk for floyd he wants to be known as the greatest P4P and a fight with AM will disprove what he think is fact. we will see alot of clinching but the size of AM will tire him out, (something about a big guy leaning on you throughout a fight will get you tired quick) hatton did good with that vs Tzu although an ulgy fight.
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He did?? What round was that? please refer me. I have the fight on hard drive.

[Audie78]

I'm not stating he hurt him i'm stating a fact that you can get in and **** him up, and he will allow it.