Who is the better ATG? Hopkins or Toney?

[Murray]

Look all I see is Hopkins is people saying how great Hopkins is, I dont see it other than his fight with Trinidad...for me James Toney has always been a better slicker boxer and boxing personality not to mention more entertaining fighter in the ring.

[T-97]

I think there was a similar thread a while back. The general feeling was that Toney has the much better resume,

To me. James could have been better if not for his eating habbits.

[Murray]

I think there was a similar thread a while back. The general feeling was that Toney has the much better resume,

To me. James could have been better if not for his eating habbits.

Ive been away for over 2 mos sorry if this is a repost of sorts.

[Kilrain]

Well, Hopkins is going down in history whether anyone likes it or not for making 20 middleweight title defences and having the division on lockdown for some twelve consecutive years. That's history, it's not gonna be toyed with. Beating a 40-0 Puerto Rican icon helps of course, and wins over Tarver and the Golden Boy as well as Winky. He is a middleweight legend, a consistant and rounded defensive technician/(earlier in his career) a rough and ready steamroller.

Toneys career will be remembered differently. Peaked early, had a tremendous run at 160 and 68 in the early 90s. Had serious weight troubles, lost a wide points decision to Roy Jones, back-to-back L's to Montell Griffin, a large period of relative obscurity ballooning from 175 to 200lbs in the late nineties, before getting back on track beating Jirov. Bottom line is, three weight world champ, success at Heavyweight, even won a title at HW making it four weights, though they revoked it because of the steroid positive.

Look, its two different careers. History will be fonder to Hopkins, but Toney is almost equally as great I feel, just sheerly in what he's had to overcome, plus some of his resume really impresses (McCallum twice, Reggie, Nunn, Jirov, Rahman)

[T-97]

Ive been away for over 2 mos sorry if this is a repost of sorts.

Yeah I know, Just sayin if you don't get many replies look for the thread by HomeBoys or something like that (Some racist alt that got banned) He made a thread about it that got a lot of replies.

[warp1432]

Hopkins:

-20 middleweight title defenses
-1 light heavyweight defense against a pound for pounder
- Wins over Tarver, Winky, Trinidad, Johnson, and a lot of good middleweight contenders.

Toney has a great resume also, but he was on really journeyman status for a lot of years.

[Silencers]

I'd give the slight edge to Hopkins although it depends on what you like I guess, consistency in 1 weight division, moving up towards the end of his career or titles in multiple weight classes and arguably better skills.

Both of them have their pros and cons.

[duffgun]

Well i dont care who goes down as a better ATG i will always watch a Toney fight over a Bhop fight.

[daggum]

Well i dont care who goes down as a better ATG i will always watch a Toney fight over a Bhop fight.

you really hate hopkins for giving calzaghe his first L dont you.

[duffgun]

you really hate hopkins for giving calzaghe his first L dont you.

not really it was a close fight imo but Calzaghe won.