Morales? Quitter? Arguello? No Heart? Kostya? Coward?

[eazy_mas]

A Fighter who loses and tried is better than a internet geek who trash talks.

Those ****ers never even put a boxing gloves to understand what boxing means.

[THe TRiNiTY]

People who don't want their fighters to quit, are people who enjoy action movies a little too much and live their lives through the fighters they watch. Fact of the matter is, sometimes, getting up, is the dumbest (not bravest) ****ing thing you can do at that point.

[BennyST]

Aaron Pryor recently criticized Kostya for quitting on his stool.

“I liked him as a fighter,” Pryor said. “I really did, I thought he was a good fighter until I saw him quit on his stool against Ricky Hatton.”

“I would not do what he did in that fight. I could have been down against Alexis Arguello but I would have died in there before I quit. Seeing Tszyu quit against Hatton…that night, he did not do his best. I’d have rather have seen him get knocked out than quitting on the stool,” Pryor said.

Tszyu said he gave up against Hatton out of consideration for his family but Pryor can’t accept such an excuse.

What a bunch of bollocks! Pryor did quit in his fight against Bobby Jo Young. He was much younger than Tszyu was and had only gone half the fight in a rather easy manner when he was half knocked down. He took a knee and then simply waited out the count. He wasn't hurt at all.

****** hypocritical bastard! Got beat, no, sorry, he quit against a younger guy that was half the fighter Hatton was and he was much younger than Tszyu at the time. Only about thirty from memory. If that's not pathetic, I don't know what is. I hate all this 'quitting' business.

I wonder how many people think Cotto 'quit' against Margarito. Anyone that does is a righteous douchebag! Sometimes you know that you're beaten and nothing you can do will change that. Take Cotto for example. Should he have got back up to take one last swing hoping to KO Margarito even if it got him brutally beaten and knocked out cold himself? Of course not. He was already beaten and exhausted beyond belief and there was no chance he could have knocked him out. There was no point in going on when he has a future ahead of him and big fights left.

[BennyST]

Kostya was hurt, I don't believe Erik really was. He looked fine sitting there on the canvas shaking his head.

Do you honestly believe that? Tell me something? Hypothetically, if you were in that situation, in which for your whole career you had never been knocked down or even close to being hurt badly and you fought a guy when you were too old and he beat you for the first time by TKO, putting you down twice in the process, and then in the rematch he knocked you down three times in within three rounds, what would you do? If you had just been pounded around the ring like never before and you knew that no matter what you did it was going to happen again and again until one time you may not have been able to get up at all. What would you do?

Actually Live Dog, have you ever been in a similar situation? Have you ever been knocked down consistently and gotten up until, by the third time you were knocked down, you knew that it was utterly pointless to get back up again? You were hurt (Morales was hurt. If he wasn't hurt he would not have gone down three times!) and you were also too slow, too weak and had no legs to get you out of trouble. Not in sparring, but in an actual fight, where the other guy is really trying to hurt you and do serious damage to you and won't stop until you do?

How could you think anything else apart from the very simple fact that he was right in not getting up and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. This is a sport after all, not the Roman Colosseum and it is also their livelihood. Their job, just like all of us have our jobs. How they make money for their families.

[Live Dog]

Do you honestly believe that? Tell me something? Hypothetically, if you were in that situation, in which for your whole career you had never been knocked down or even close to being hurt badly and you fought a guy when you were too old and he beat you for the first time by TKO, putting you down twice in the process, and then in the rematch he knocked you down three times in within three rounds, what would you do? If you had just been pounded around the ring like never before and you knew that no matter what you did it was going to happen again and again until one time you may not have been able to get up at all. What would you do?

Actually Live Dog, have you ever been in a similar situation? Have you ever been knocked down consistently and gotten up until, by the third time you were knocked down, you knew that it was utterly pointless to get back up again? You were hurt (Morales was hurt. If he wasn't hurt he would not have gone down three times!) and you were also too slow, too weak and had no legs to get you out of trouble. Not in sparring, but in an actual fight, where the other guy is really trying to hurt you and do serious damage to you and won't stop until you do?

How could you think anything else apart from the very simple fact that he was right in not getting up and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. This is a sport after all, not the Roman Colosseum and it is also their livelihood. Their job, just like all of us have our jobs. How they make money for their families.

get.....over....it

[TheGreatA]

What a bunch of bollocks! Pryor did quit in his fight against Bobby Jo Young. He was much younger than Tszyu was and had only gone half the fight in a rather easy manner when he was half knocked down. He took a knee and then simply waited out the count. He wasn't hurt at all.

Yeah, I'm not sure how Pryor of all people could say that (if he did).

He was another warrior who was forced to quit at the end of his career due to diminishing skills, Arguello did the same. It happens.

I would have rather seen Leonard quit on his stool than get knocked out by Hector Camacho...

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

I just seen a few people insult Morales and call him a quitter on another thread.

Was what he really did that bad? He gave it all he got , he didn't have anything else , he just got knocked down for the 2nd time......what was the point of getting up again?

I've also seen Arguello do the same in the Pryor fight.

I read someone post so many bad things about Kostya too and how he ended his career on the stool.

They're not the only ones...... there have been plenty of greats who have "QUIT". I'm sure each of us can name a few more.

Me personally? I don't hold anything against them for this. If you're beat , if you have nothing left , what's the point of getting beat up some more?

Thoughts? Opinions? Discuss.

Let's get a clear definition of what quitting is. A fighter who is knocked down repeatedly like Morales was, didn't quit. He was beaten but didn't nod to his corner to throw the towel in or stay on his stool, he was ko'd down and couldn't get up after being beaten.

There's a difference, me personally, I'm old school. I prefer to see a fighter get KO'd or have the ref stop the fight to preotect the fighter. When you nod to your corner to give in, you quit.

I don't disrepect Cotto, or think he's a punk or a coward. The question is just being asked and I have to answer honestly.

[Live Dog]

Let's get a clear definition of what quitting is. A fighter who is knocked down repeatedly like Morales was, didn't quit. He was beaten but didn't nod to his corner to throw the towel in or stay on his stool, he was ko'd down and couldn't get up after being beaten.

You really believe he couldn't get up?

[rizkybizness]

Aaron Pryor recently criticized Kostya for quitting on his stool.

“I liked him as a fighter,” Pryor said. “I really did, I thought he was a good fighter until I saw him quit on his stool against Ricky Hatton.”

“I would not do what he did in that fight. I could have been down against Alexis Arguello but I would have died in there before I quit. Seeing Tszyu quit against Hatton…that night, he did not do his best. I’d have rather have seen him get knocked out than quitting on the stool,” Pryor said.

Tszyu said he gave up against Hatton out of consideration for his family but Pryor can’t accept such an excuse.



“My wife filed for a divorce when I was training to fight Arguello. I got the legal papers in my training camp.But I kept training because I had to go beat the great Arguello, which I did, and then I could deal with that.”



Pryor also said he has nothing but affection for his two bout rival, Arguello.



“Alexis is a classy gentleman and we get along great,” Pryor said. “Ray Leonard, Marvin Hagler and Tommy Hearns do not talk. Joe Frazier does not talk to Muhammad Ali. But me and Alexis, we are good friends. Alexis told me, after the first bout in Miami, I was the better man that night. I like Alexis and I’ve learned a lot from him.”

I'm not much of a boxing historian or anything of that nature.

However, doesnt the black bottle incident somewhat tarnish Pryor's win over Arguello?

[Left Hook Tua]

I'm not much of a boxing historian or anything of that nature.

However, doesnt the black bottle incident somewhat tarnish Pryor's win over Arguello?

i'm an arguello guy but...... he didn't have the "mixed" water in the second......