Cotto vs. Margarito ( Pro & Con's) and Predicitions

[ElGranLuchador]

this is actually a good thread ur not so biased when u dont talk about mayweather
anyway u say williams lost to quintana becuz of conditioning but didnt quintana train in puerto rico?
my prediction is that this fight is a lot like marquez vs vazquez
marquez: better boxer, also a great puncher, smaller
vazquez: better puncher, less boxing skills, bigger

cotto is a brawler/bpxer thats just his style if marquez teached us something is that against a hard puncher u cant afford to trade and then box
imo marquez ability for boxing is better than cotto, he outboxed vazquez while exchanging with him a couple times, this eventually caught up to marquez and the same thing will happen with cotto
of course vazquez is a bigger puncher than margarito but lets remember before vazquez defeated rafa marquez he was nowhere near the p4p list so this might be the fight that shows the world what margarito is capable of with his limited style but with constant pressure and great determination
to top the advantages for margarito his chin is very good while cotto chin is still a ? mark

[Horus]

this is actually a good thread ur not so biased when u dont talk about mayweather
anyway u say williams lost to quintana becuz of conditioning but didnt quintana train in puerto rico?
my prediction is that this fight is a lot like marquez vs vazquez
marquez: better boxer, also a great puncher, smaller
vazquez: better puncher, less boxing skills, bigger

cotto is a brawler/bpxer thats just his style if marquez teached us something is that against a hard puncher u cant afford to trade and then box
imo marquez ability for boxing is better than cotto, he outboxed vazquez while exchanging with him a couple times, this eventually caught up to marquez and the same thing will happen with cotto
of course vazquez is a bigger puncher than margarito but lets remember before vazquez defeated rafa marquez he was nowhere near the p4p list so this might be the fight that shows the world what margarito is capable of with his limited style but with constant pressure and great determination
to top the advantages for margarito his chin is very good while cotto chin is still a ? mark

If Margarito can use his Height and Set up his offense with a Jab. I will be Shock. and I will be the first to give him praise.

Margarito natural mindset i believe is like a Pitbull.
ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK without re guard.
This what concerns me about Margarito, and why i am picking cotto to win.

It seems Margarito have to take punishment to give it. Meaning he is going to walk right into Cotto punches to give his. (Not a smart Strategy IMO)

If Cotto was good at fighting Backwards, I would Bet my house on Cotto.
but he isnt. But he is good at Jabbing his opponents, and throwing short body hooks. which is more i can say about Margarito. and Cotto can set up his offense with a jab.


My question is does Margarito have the ability to set up his offense with a jab, instead of setting up his offense with his face.

[Horus]

Cotto vs. Margarito ( Pro & Con's) and Predictions

This fight is a fight in which Somebody will be exposed.
Both of these fighters are good at what they do.
and both of these fighters have apparent visible flaws.

Which ever fighter exposes the other fighters flaws will win period.

This thread is about The Pro's and Con's about both fighters.

Please discuss. About what You see in both Fighters... and who will win.


Antonio Margarito:
Pro's:

Margarito is an ALL OUT Brawler... He is bent on getting in the ring and throwing punches in regardless of Defense.

He is truly a The Boxing Definition of a "Pitbull" He is going for kill right away with no re-guard for the others persons abilities.

he is a World Class Brawler. he does not have a signature punch. He can throw all punches. But he is not particularly good at any punch.
His powers comes from accumulative damage.

He is dangerous, if a fighter fights his fight.

Example: Cintron


Miguel Cotto:

Pros:

Cotto is starting to become an all around fighter. And that is dangerous.
He has a crushing jab, and powerful hook. He has under rated ability to adapt.
and he will come back from punishment, with offense instead of defense.

example: Judah, Torres, Corley

The one thing that I will openly admit about Cotto that can make him a great fighter is that. He doesn't **** around, he is focus. And that is something that every great fighter has.

Thats what separates him from Judah,Margarito, and Paul Williams to a extent.

Miguel Cotto can have a legacy like Roberto Duran or Fernando Vargas.

It's up to him.

Prediction:
Cotto wins Ud

Cotto should Outclass Margarito

The Ribook

[Horus]

THE PUERTO RICO FACTOR IN VEGAS FIGHTS: CONDITIONING

Look, I know you are probably not a fan of Mayweather and you probably dont listen to **** his says. But Mayweather said something about Conditioning that few fighters listen too.

When Williams lose to Quintana where did he train..?
and the second time Williams didn't train there.!
When De la hoya lost to Floyd where did Oscar train?
and if Oscar would have had a rematch with Floyd he would of not trained there..!

Puerto Rico.!
Mayweather says all the time that Puerto Rico is not a good place to train simply because of the sea level and the air. And when fight time comes..
The air in America when cause the other fighter to get tired.

You made a great Point about Conditioning, and that being important for Cotto to win.

Cotto better hope he can adapt to the Vegas environment. Because if he doesn't. I feel that Margarito if he train properly will be able to take advantage of that. since he train on the ground level. and is Adjusted to the environment.


Oscar reason for tiring in his last 3 fights was not because he was out of shape. It was because he could not adjust to the environment.

This fight is in Las Vegas. Not New York. and the air and environment very different on the west coast. If cotto did not Prepare for this. I think Margarito will Knock him out in the late rounds. Because Cotto will be too tired. to box the way he needs too, in order to win.

This whole thread...was a good thread... and Props for Margarito Fans for Predicting what would ultimately happen...Conditioning...and Too much Pressure...

[Horus]

Now that I think about it. If Cotto did not prepare for a 12 round pressure full fight. and learn new tactic's on how to fight Back wards. ( which he cant)

Cotto is in trouble in the late rounds of this fight.

and this is what ultimately what happen...

[Horus]

It may just come down to that, but like I said in my original post, if Cotto does have it in him then I think he can win a UD, but I'm betting on him not being able to finish strong. My thinking is that there is no way in hell he undertrained for Mosley (because of the significance) and that late drop in energy was a conditioning issue he may not be able to improve upon.

Maybe Floyd's right and he needs some more altitude to push those lungs.

you were right...Green K coming your way

[Horus]

Miguel Cotto Con's

Cotto has been on cloud 9 before he was even a champion,
Now that Cotto is now in the spotlight and boxing is looking towards him to replace Floyd. He has left himself no room to grow as a fighter...


No More Unproven Contenders Like Gomez,
No More Past their Prime Old Fighters Mosely in which He barely Wins..
No More fighting non active fighters like Judah
He now has to fight Prime,Active, Young , P4P, Highly ranked Fighters....
There is no more grace time.....The Time is Now....
And His First Test is Margarito....
Remember Cotto has never had to beat a Champion For his Title...He has always fought fellow contenders for vacant titles....

I have been seeing this coming though, but the commentators on HBO are just commenting on the good things they see. Instead of the little things he does wrong that champions will see and will counter, and will not miss. He still gets hit a lot, and wastes a lot of punches. Sometimes he punches from too far out and leaves gaps where he can be countered or beaten to the punch.

• Zab Judah Show you how to counter him....
• Shane Mosley show you how to pressure him
• Demarcus Corely Show you how to accurately hit him...

and Margarito will Probably show how can he handle being hurt by somebody who can finish the job
And all those fighters all had defaults in their game....Either they were too old, primes their prime, not active before fighting him, or basic contenders.....


Margarito is none of the above.
Margarito is not past his prime, he is active before fighting cotto, and he is not a contender.

Margarito is a fighter, Fighters like Cotto and Williams get credit for.

Steward,Merchant and Lampley make and made Cotto out to be some phenom, because he's KO'd a bunch of lightweights, contenders,and Past their prime fighters
when they know he's starving to make the weight.

I am not saying Cotto doesn't have a chance against Prime Young P4P Fighters
but he still might be too green to face the guy that His Fans and Arum are expecting Cotto to now fight.
He still has very good skills, power, and a lot of heart, that will keep in the fights. Unfortunately, he still gets hit a lot, and wastes a lot of punches.

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I have been seeing this coming though, but the commentators on HBO are just commenting on the good things they see. Instead of the little things he does wrong that champions will see and will counter, and will not miss. He still gets hit a lot, and wastes a lot of punches. Sometimes he punches from too far out and leaves gaps where he can be countered or beaten to the punch.

[adrsan84]

you were right...Green K coming your way

I was pretty much spot on on my prediction except for one thing, Cotto landed MUCH bigger shots than I could have ever expected, both guys were amazing.

[Horus]

alot of people got this fight completely wrong..

and alot of people got this fight completely right..

great thread though.

[Horus]

let's bump it for the rematch...