Originally posted by Queen_Leia
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Hopkins, Calzaghe, Abraham, Dawson...can Pav lick beat all 3?
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Uhm, doesnt look to good for Pavlik there in my eyes.
Ive absolutely no idea how his fight against Hopkins will play out. But I can imagine Hopkins beats him clearly. I tend to expect a close fight there. What Im pretty sure about is that Hopkins wouldnt allow Pavlik to look good.
Calzaghe would have a relatively easy night as long as he isnt getting too old.
Dawson does have all the tools to beat him decisevely also except the chin and maybe a little defense, although his defense isnt bad. But Pavliks pressure is different than the one Johnson applies and I think Dawson could handle that a little better.
And actually Id also pick Abraham to KO Kelly but thats another tough one to call. Maybe Pavlik outworks him, maybe he wears him down and stops him late, maybe Abraham lands his huge combinations and KOs Pavlik.
So I think theres no fight Pavlik wins for sure, one fight he loses for sure and three fights that could go either way.
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Originally posted by DanielTurcotte3 View PostFirst off....AA is not an ELITE FIGHTER...thats just a dumb statement, good yes not great yet and certainly not an Elite fighter.....Next up.....Hopkins is still a tough fight for anyone, no matter what his age would be....he's very slick and knows all the tricks of the trade....He knows how to make an ugly fight out of anyone and Pav will have a lotttt of trouble alll night with Hopkins........I think this is a winnable fight for Hopkins and i think that theres no chance in hell that Kelly KO's B-Hop......Thats just some other dumb **** yall must be on, the guy has never been KOed, and has the most durable defensive style that there has ever been in the history of boxing....This alone can allow him to fight until he is in his mid 40's.....
Pavlik might get by Hopkins, He would KO Abraham, Calz handles Pav although I cant stand Calz, thats as bad a matchup as there is for Kelly Pavlik out there, and lastly Dawson ****s all over Kelly....He's way to slick and this fight would be more one sided then a Calz fight...
Wait....About 3-4-5 years from now, we will look back and see a Kelly Pavlik who has lost 3-4 fights....Skill wise, he is not that far along, and I think that he's reached his peak as far as his ability to box....He has one of the most powerful and best 1'2's in the game, but if it wasn't for his KO power, he'd be in trouble against any fighter from 160-175....His power is what makes him a good fighter, but thats all he will ever be is a good fighter who will always be in there with good opposition, because of his one punch KO power......
Ok I agree AA is NOT YET elite, and I agree Pav will have some troble with Hopkins, but KO ARTHUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF!!!!!!!!!! Miranda could KO arthur when Art had broken jaw. Are you kidding me?
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Originally posted by DanielTurcotte3 View PostFirst off....AA is not an ELITE FIGHTER...thats just a dumb statement, good yes not great yet and certainly not an Elite fighter.....Next up.....Hopkins is still a tough fight for anyone, no matter what his age would be....he's very slick and knows all the tricks of the trade....He knows how to make an ugly fight out of anyone and Pav will have a lotttt of trouble alll night with Hopkins........I think this is a winnable fight for Hopkins and i think that theres no chance in hell that Kelly KO's B-Hop......Thats just some other dumb **** yall must be on, the guy has never been KOed, and has the most durable defensive style that there has ever been in the history of boxing....This alone can allow him to fight until he is in his mid 40's.....
Pavlik might get by Hopkins, He would KO Abraham, Calz handles Pav although I cant stand Calz, thats as bad a matchup as there is for Kelly Pavlik out there, and lastly Dawson ****s all over Kelly....He's way to slick and this fight would be more one sided then a Calz fight...
Wait....About 3-4-5 years from now, we will look back and see a Kelly Pavlik who has lost 3-4 fights....Skill wise, he is not that far along, and I think that he's reached his peak as far as his ability to box....He has one of the most powerful and best 1'2's in the game, but if it wasn't for his KO power, he'd be in trouble against any fighter from 160-175....His power is what makes him a good fighter, but thats all he will ever be is a good fighter who will always be in there with good opposition, because of his one punch KO power......
Ok I agree AA is NOT YET elite, and I agree Pav will have some troble with Hopkins, but KO ARTHUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF!!!!!!!!!! Miranda couldn't KO arthur when Art had broken jaw. Are you kidding me?
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Originally posted by KingArthur View PostOk I agree AA is NOT YET elite, and I agree Pav will have some troble with Hopkins, but KO ARTHUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF!!!!!!!!!! Miranda could KO arthur when Art had broken jaw. Are you kidding me?
Abraham has neverrrrrrrr even been shook up to this day as a 27-0 fighter, how the hell someone can confidently say he will get KOd by Pavlik or anyone else is beyond me.
Pavlik on the other hand HAS tasted the canvas before.. so if you claim Pavlik can KO Abraham, you must follow up that Abraham can just as easily KTFO Pavlik.
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Originally posted by VanesBoxing View PostI really hate when people use KO so loosely too man...
Abraham has neverrrrrrrr even been shook up to this day as a 27-0 fighter, how the hell someone can confidently say he will get KOd by Pavlik or anyone else is beyond me.
Pavlik on the other hand HAS tasted the canvas before.. so if you claim Pavlik can KO Abraham, you must follow up that Abraham can just as easily KTFO Pavlik.
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Originally posted by S.G. View PostHopkins: probably, but only because of Hopkins' age. even Hopkins of 2-3 years ago vs. today's Pavlik would result in Hopkins totally humiliating Pavlik
Calzaghe: highly unlikely, but possible due to Joe's age (Joe's slightly lost his edge over recent years imo). then again Calzaghe could completely school him
Abraham: i think Pavlik would deal with Abraham, but not easily. be very interesting if Abraham managed to hit him with some big combos too
Dawson: Dawson outboxes him to a points victory... way too slick
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Originally posted by KJB View PostYou would make Abraham the favorite over Pavlik? I cant agree with that.
Obviously Calzaghe would be the favorite against him, and probably Bad Chad. That said I think Kelly has a solid chance against either of them, and I see him as a decent favorite against Old Hopkins and AA.
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