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  • gopi11
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    Is this a sure ticket to ATG???

    First, let me set things straight.

    I'm not that old to recall if this has ever happened before, and I would love to hear from the oldtimers about this scenario. This once in a lifetime chance for a piece of boxing history is rarer than the Haley's comet, were we get to see every 75-76 years, specially at this day and age were elite boxers gets to fight about 2 to 3 times a year, max.

    We all know that current P4P king Manny Pacquiao has just won two belts from two different weight divisions (super featherweight and lightweight) this year. He has a chance to win a third one if he opts to fight any of these four champions this year, WBC's current jr. welterweight champ Tim Bradley, WBA's Andreas Kotelnik, IBF's Paulie Malinaggi or WBO's current jr. welterweight king Kendall Holt. WOW! Three championship belts from three different weight classes in one calendar year? That's unheard of!

    If and when Pacman decides to fight any of the 4 boxers that I've mentioned earlier this year, and manages to win, would you consider this achievement a sure ticket to ATG?

    Feel free share your thoughts guys! Love to hear from everybody!
  • Silencers
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    He's definitely on the right way to be a great fighter, those fights aren't going to happen within the next year IMO and a win over DLH in December would be much bigger than a win over those fighters.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Silencers
      He's definitely on the right way to be a great fighter, those fights aren't going to happen within the next year IMO and a win over DLH in December would be much bigger than a win over those fighters.


      I have to disagree with you about that one Silencers, no boxer is greater than that milestone, even if that boxer is ODLH. This is one of those things that "those fighters" doesn't matter, it is what no one has ever done before, or even tried before. Not even the great Henry Armstrong or Roberto Duran, who went to multiple weight divisions like crazy has achieved.

      Three belts in 3 different weight divisions in one calendar year? I couldn't even fathom...

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        #4
        Originally posted by gopi11
        I have to disagree with you about that one Silencers, no boxer is greater than that milestone, even if that boxer is ODLH. This is one of those things that "those fighters" doesn't matter, it is what no one has ever done before, or even tried before. Not even the great Henry Armstrong or Roberto Duran, who went to multiple weight divisions like crazy has achieved.

        Three belts in 3 different weight divisions in one calendar year? I couldn't even fathom...
        It's level of opposition, even at this point, DLH is a level above the names you have mentioned and he has been fighting at 154 for the past 7 years, which makes him at least a natural welterweight, a win for Pacquiao over DLH would be much bigger than the ones you have mentioned.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Silencers
          It's level of opposition, even at this point, DLH is a level above the names you have mentioned and he has been fighting at 154 for the past 7 years, which makes him at least a natural welterweight, a win for Pacquiao over DLH would be much bigger than the ones you have mentioned.


          We're not talking about the level of opposition here Silencers, it is what these 4 boxers and the circumstances represent; a legitimate Jr. welterweight belt and a third belt for a boxer in one calendar year. I can rattle off at least a couple of names or probably even more that can beat ODLH any given day, BUT I can't provide you a single name, except for Pacquiao to have a chance for all-time greatness, and arguably, nobody in the near future will get a stab at it...


          Three belts at 3 different weight classes in one calendar year >>>> beating ODLH
          Last edited by gopi11; 07-20-2008, 07:19 AM.

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            Originally posted by gopi11
            We're not talking about the level of opposition here Silencers, it is what these 4 boxers and the circumstances represent; a legitimate Jr. welterweight belt and a third belt for a boxer in one calendar year. I can rattle off at least a couple of names or probably even more that can beat ODLH any given day, BUT I can't provide you a single name, except for Pacquiao to have a stab at greatness...


            Three belts at 3 different weight classes in one calendar year >>>> beating ODLH
            I have to disagree, too much emphasis is based on titles, in a fight against those that you have mentioned, Pacquiao wouldn't be that big of an underdog, against DLH, he'd be a big underdog.

            You can rattle off names of fighters that could beat DLH, is Pacquiao one of them? I don't think so.

            I could rattle off names of who could beat the names that you have mentioned and Pacquiao is among those names.

            Don't get me wrong, winning a title in 3 different weight classes in one calendar year is a very good achievement but I put more emphasis on level of opposition.

            I see it like this, Pacquiao has won the Ring and WBC Super Featherweight titles against JMM, then moved up to win the WBC Lightweight title from David Diaz then moved up to 147 to beat the still dangerous ex-WBC Junior Middleweight titlist Oscar De La Hoya who gave the ex-pound for pound number 1 fighter in the world Floyd Mayweather a tough fight.

            I find the above scenario to be better than moving up and beating a Kotelnik, Bradley, Holt or Malignaggi, no disrespect intended to them.

            Bradley and Malignaggi are booked for the rest of the year anyway, Bradley with Urango and Malignaggi with Hatton.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Silencers
              I have to disagree, too much emphasis is based on titles, in a fight against those that you have mentioned, Pacquiao wouldn't be that big of an underdog, against DLH, he'd be a big underdog.

              You can rattle off names of fighters that could beat DLH, is Pacquiao one of them? I don't think so.

              I could rattle off names of who could beat the names that you have mentioned and Pacquiao is among those names.

              Don't get me wrong, winning a title in 3 different weight classes in one calendar year is a very good achievement but I put more emphasis on level of opposition.

              I see it like this, Pacquiao has won the Ring and WBC Super Featherweight titles against JMM, then moved up to win the WBC Lightweight title from David Diaz then moved up to 147 to beat the still dangerous ex-WBC Junior Middleweight titlist Oscar De La Hoya who gave the ex-pound for pound number 1 fighter in the world Floyd Mayweather a tough fight.

              I find the above scenario to be better than moving up and beating a Kotelnik, Bradley, Holt or Malignaggi, no disrespect intended to them.

              Bradley and Malignaggi are booked for the rest of the year anyway, Bradley with Urango and Malignaggi with Hatton.



              I see where you're coming because Pacman is already 2/3s through, but if I tell you that a certain boxer will win 3 titles in 3 different weight divisions in one calendar year next year, you will probably say that I'm crazy, you'll probably say Pacquiao winning over ODLH is more likely to happen!

              ... and winning a title in 3 different weight classes in one calendar year is a just a "very good achievement"???

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                #8
                Originally posted by gopi11
                I see where you're coming because Pacman is already 2/3s through, but if I tell you that a certain boxer will win 3 titles in 3 different weight divisions in one calendar year next year, you will probably say that I'm crazy, you'll probably say Pacquiao winning over ODLH is more likely to happen!

                ... and winning a title in 3 different weight classes in one calendar year is a just a "very good achievement"???
                No I wouldn't for the first part, I don't give him much of a chance against DLH honestly, I would give him much more of a chance against the other names that have been mentioned.

                I was just being objective in the second part, you could call it a great achievement.

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                  winning 3 belts at 3 diff div in one year could probably put manny in the record books as the first to do it, but with the many alpha belts its not unthinkable a good to great fighter try to achieve or even break that...

                  while a win over ODLH will be step closer to ATG!

                  not to mentioned that at this point in time winning VS any of the aforementioned champions is highly probable for pac but winning over ODLH at this momment STILL UNTHINKABLE...

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                  • Left2body
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                    Trinidad did it with in 1 1/2 years. He beat Oscar at WW, went and beat Reid, Vargs and Joppy who all had belts from WW-MW.

                    Not only belt holders but the best fighters at the divisions. DLH and Vargas at the time. Joppy was just a MW belt holder not the best (Hopkins was).

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