Rahman-Toney decision apalling

[Feint]

I have to agree that this was a bad decision.

The tape doesn’t lie: in the replay Rahman say’s he can’t see out of the eye and that it is blurry. The doctor tells the ref, “He say’s he can’t see,” and then waves off the fight. The referee takes that cue and ends the fight based on the doctor’s decision (not Rahman’s). The referee then walks over to the announcers (and presumably judges as well) and tells them that it is a “no decision”.

The question is, what happened between the time the referee decided upon a "no decision" and then changing that judgement to a TKO? The doctor claims he didn’t change his decision or say anything different to the referee, so who got in the referee's ear and convinced him otherwise?

[Feint]

The cut has to be bad enough for the Dr to want to stop the fight. The cut last night was in no way shape or form bad enough for the Dr to stop that fight based on that alone. It was Rahman who said "I cant see" so the Dr took it as he was quitting.

However, the after the fight the doctor did not say that is what happened. The doctor said that he made a medical decision that it was not safe to continue fighting. The doctor can't make any recommendation but a medical one. It was the referee that changed his mine for whatever reason.

[Texasboy34]

However, the after the fight the doctor did not say that is what happened. The doctor said that he made a medical decision that it was not safe to continue fighting. The doctor can't make any recommendation but a medical one. It was the referee that changed his mine for whatever reason.

Yeah, he made the decision based on Rahman saying he can't see out of that eye... he didn't stop the fight, because of the cut. Had that been the case it would have been a NC... He stopped the fight basically cause Rahman bitched out of the fight.

[Scott9945]

The cut has to be bad enough for the Dr to want to stop the fight. The cut last night was in no way shape or form bad enough for the Dr to stop that fight based on that alone. It was Rahman who said "I cant see" so the Dr took it as he was quitting.

That cut was very deep in his brow. That isn't even debatable. There was no chance that the fight could have gone on much longer without putting Rahman at serious risk. The whole matter was handled poorly by the referee who should have been there overseeing all this. He should have asked the doctor directly whether the cut itself put Rahman in danger. Having happened in California in a Goossen promotion, it gives the impression of home cooking. Chris Byrd who was the only real boxing person on the broadcast team knew right away how this should have been handled.

[RAESAAD]

It's also appalling that Rahman bitched up and started whining about the eye in the first place, He knew Toney was gonna take him to school last night. Toney started looking real good in the 3rd round. I actually think now that if Toney stays in the shape he was in last night he'd have a chance to make some noise in the division again.

[Texasboy34]

It's also appalling that Rahman bitched up and started whining about the eye in the first place, He knew Toney was gonna take him to school last night. Toney started looking real good in the 3rd round. I actually think now that if Toney stays in the shape he was in last night he'd have a chance to make some noise in the division again.

Agreed... The Toney haters are making it seem like Rahman's eye was about to fall out. That cut was not that bad, and we have ALL seen way worse cuts on fighters where the Dr allowed the fight to continue. The Dr in the ring last night was the same Dr that let Vitali continue to fight Lennox with his ****ing eyelid detached... do yall really think he would have stopped this fight based on that little ass cut? **** no... he stopped the fight cause Rahman quit... he never said "I quit" but his body language and him repeatedly saying "I can't see, I can't see" sure gave that indication. Then in the interview he said "I'm not gonna fight James Toney with one eye..." that sure sounded like a guy that gave up to me.

[PRboxingfan]

I haven't seen the fight yet so I'm not going to comment on whether it should've been a NC or a TKO.

HOWEVER, I'm just going to say this. If Rahman said he didn't want to continue, then he loses by TKO. If the Dr. was the one who stopped the fight without Rahman saying he didn't want to continue, then it's a NC. Regardless of what caused the cut, if Rahman said he wanted to stop the fight then he is quitting and deserves the TKO loss.

[Derranged_]

I didn't bother to stay up and watch the fight (it was on past my bed time). How bad was the cut on a scale of 1 being a scratch and 10 being a Vitali-Lennox cut?...

[Xyei]

It's also appalling that Rahman bitched up and started whining about the eye in the first place, He knew Toney was gonna take him to school last night. Toney started looking real good in the 3rd round. I actually think now that if Toney stays in the shape he was in last night he'd have a chance to make some noise in the division again.

He was 226 or so right? How did he look? Still a little belly I'm sure...

[MWMerlino]

He was 226 or so right? How did he look? Still a little belly I'm sure...

Looked soft but not bad. Slow from old age. I'm glad it wasn't ruled a NC because neither fighter is getting any younger and Toney was cleary taking over in the 3rd, and he's a slow starter. Rahman was jab jab crossing and Toney had him timed. His excuse was "All the sudden I'm getting hit with rights I don't see, obviously it was the cut" which is complete bull**** because he was getting counter-punched, even if he saw them coming they were there.