De La Hoya's Heart?

[pinkpanther]

8.5 - 9 he's as tough as any fighter mixing it today.

[SonnyG8R]

Oscar's heart should not be questioned. I agree with jose. Although I still think the ko he received against hopkins was su****ious.

[borikua]

ok he got some "heart"...but what i have notice from his last fights is that after the 6-7rds he looks exhausted...Nard knew that.. that’s why he waited for the later rounds to finish dlh...Nard was just waiting for Oscar to get tired...Oscar is not a power puncher and he only relies in his speed...

[Moon]

how would you rate it between 1 and 10?

Oscar said

Hopkins got him with a left hook to the body

forward it to Mayorga-Tito, we saw the same shot from Tito to Mayorga in the body, Mayorga was able to get up, but Oscar wasnt all he did was cry in the ground, does Oscar have all the heart he says he does? my answer is NO i rate his heart 7/10

No logic in saying that. You can't compare Hops bodyshot on DLH to Tito's on Mayorga. There's two different punchers and two different punchees.

I see it very simply. Mayorga would not have recovered from Hops bodyshot, much like DLH. Except without the rollin' around etc.

Conversely, DLH probably would have a better chance of recovery from Tito's left to the ribs.

Also, all arguements that DLH is somehow "chicken" are in vain. The man has not ducked anybody, end of story. And, except for thew Hops KO, has always gotten off the deck to keep goin'.

[Moon]

ok he got some "heart"...but what i have notice from his last fights is that after the 6-7rds he looks exhausted...Nard knew that.. that’s why he waited for the later rounds to finish dlh...Nard was just waiting for Oscar to get tired...Oscar is not a power puncher and he only relies in his speed...

YOU "noticed" something about DLH? Well, the rest of world saw it too. But what about Tito? Did you notice that Hops had Tito was looking pretty much "beat" after 6-7 rounds. DLH might have looked "tired" but he was nowhere near looking "beat" like Tito against Hops.

If you think that Hops should be less regarded because he "was just waiting for Oscar to get tired", then you don't know the Ring game. Of course he's gonna' wait till the other guy (DLH or anybody) get's tired, it's about who out-lasts who.

Also, if you compare Tito's performance versus DLH's performance against Hops, who looked better? Don't get me wrong my friend, I like Tito for what he brings to the Ring, especially his Killer Finish (instincts that all fighters desire), but, Tito simply got his ass kicked by a true Middleweight who just happened to connect on your guy over and over because Tito's style fits exactly the style Hops loves.

[borikua]

YOU "noticed" something about DLH? Well, the rest of world saw it too. But what about Tito? Did you notice that Hops had Tito was looking pretty much "beat" after 6-7 rounds. DLH might have looked "tired" but he was nowhere near looking "beat" like Tito against Hops.

If you think that Hops should be less regarded because he "was just waiting for Oscar to get tired", then you don't know the Ring game. Of course he's gonna' wait till the other guy (DLH or anybody) get's tired, it's about who out-lasts who.

Also, if you compare Tito's performance versus DLH's performance against Hops, who looked better? Don't get me wrong my friend, I like Tito for what he brings to the Ring, especially his Killer Finish (instincts that all fighters desire), but, Tito simply got his ass kicked by a true Middleweight who just happened to connect on your guy over and over because Tito's style fits exactly the style Hops loves.

Tito looked pretty fk up after the KD in the 12rd but he took a beating for 12rds like a man...what i ment is that Nard didn't put any pressure on Oscar till the 9th..So you say that DLH looked better against Nard...please DLH never had a chance against Nard..at least Tito had the punchers chance on landing a power punch on Nard..And Tito didn't roll around the canvas screaming like if someone stab him in the back...And then go out and say that he tried to do "THE IMPOSIBBLE"...please...

[Explosivo]

I would have given him a 10, but after getting dropped by the ***** looking body shot from Bernard, I will take it down to a 7.

[m00ks]

dorin didnt took a liver shot. dorin took a shot in the ribs , and it broke them , plus the impact shocked the whole body. but it the was the power of the shot that generated damage. a pinpoint shot in the liver doesnt need power.

I doubt you can prove it hit DLH on the liver. Unless you have x ray vision.

[m00ks]

No logic in saying that. You can't compare Hops bodyshot on DLH to Tito's on Mayorga. There's two different punchers and two different punchees.

I see it very simply. Mayorga would not have recovered from Hops bodyshot, much like DLH. Except without the rollin' around etc.

Conversely, DLH probably would have a better chance of recovery from Tito's left to the ribs.

Also, all arguements that DLH is somehow "chicken" are in vain. The man has not ducked anybody, end of story. And, except for thew Hops KO, has always gotten off the deck to keep goin'.

How the hell can you tell!!??!! It's not like YOU recieved that body shot. You, like all of us, can only speculate. I've sene people TRY to get up from chin shots to body shots. Like I said, DLH just screamed like a little girl. Oh wait it's true, the shot was SO hard he couldn't even TRY to get up...please ...

[scap]

no doubt it shouldnt be questioned, hes gotten up from knockdowns to win fights, ducks no-body, but lately makes me wonder, he opens up the investigations (take the loss like a man), cant get up from hops punch, IMO tito hit mayo with a way harder shot than Hopkins punch to dlh. If he really has a lot of heart and luv for the sport he will give sturm his rematch

To try and judge the impact of a particular body punch is impossible, yet this is what you are doing. How the hell can you tell that Tito's body shot was harder than Bhop's...you can't. There are variables that play into the punch as well, did Oscar see it? where was the placement? I think Oscar is a warrior, he's not number one on my list but he has heart and I think he still has a big win left in his career. He ran from Tito after outclassing him for the first 7 or 8 rounds, ever sinse then he has wanted Tito in the worst way, yet it sounds like Felix and his pops will never even entertain the idea. Styles make fights as we all know and Felix Trinidad does not have the style to beat Oscar. I don't question Tito's heart for this, he is smart in a way but Oscar should get heart points for fighting everyone and basically pleading with Tito to fight him. Oscar has heart! With some of the criteria that you have written above yopu know who has no heart and no class....Julio Ceasr Chavez...I could go on and on about JC superstar, I am wondering if you are a fan of his?