Debate: Who is at fault for RJJ vs. DM never happening?

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Exactly my point. If you're a champion and you can make good money in America regardless of who you fight, you have no business going to Germany to fight. Now if you're a challenger and you have no choice, well then you have no choice.

Look at it, if a German or British fighter comes to America, they still have to broadcast the fight in those international markets. And that makes a lot of money as well. International broadcasting rights make a lot of money regardless of where the fight is.

The fight would have made more money if it was held in Germany. Because of the live crowd. The TV revenues stays pretty much the same, it depends only on what time of the day they broadcast it.

But honestly I wouldnt go to get screwed. Jones knew he would not have stopped DM, but even if he won all 12 rounds, there are too many bull**** decisions there.

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The fight would have made more money if it was held in Germany. Because of the live crowd. The TV revenues stays pretty much the same, it depends only on what time of the day they broadcast it.

But honestly I wouldnt go to get screwed. Jones knew he would not have stopped DM, but even if he won all 12 rounds, there are too many bull**** decisions there.

especially after park si hun

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Dariusz Michalchewski was never the lineal champ. I challenge anyone who claims this to prove it. I'll be waiting.

Michalchewski was the WBO champ when he met WBA/IBF champion Virgil Hill in Germany. After wresting the two belts away, he was given 90 days to defend the WBA title against madatory challenger Lou Del Valle. He was also given 90 days to defend his WBO title.

Upon the advice of Klaus Peter-Kohl - who pretty much controlled the German-based WBO belt - Michalchewski dumped the two belts and opted to keep the WBO. He later claimed 90 days wasn't enough time to defend the title, even though it took him only four months to make his WBO mandatory against the pathetic Nicky Piper.

Many who claim Michalchewski was lineal do this because they wrongfully believe Virgil Hill was the linear champ. He sure wasn't. And Hill got some home-cooking prior to Michalchewski when he defeated the aforementioned Del Valle by split decision. Del Valle was the first to drop him but decisioning Virgil in his hometown North Dakota ain't happening. And of course, there are many who believe Michalchewski didn't wanna fight Del Valle, which was why he dropped the belts.

After stopping Hill, Jones would go on to beat Del Valle EIGHTY-THREE days later lol. How ironic. WBO champ Michalchewski spent the next three years calling Roy out. Negotiations broke down so many times, HBO eventually stepped in. They too claim Kohl wasn't really interested in his fighter facing off against Jones or ever coming to the US. Or as Roy Jones put it, "He flew down here to watch me stop Virgil Hill. After that, he hauled ass and never came back. So what does that tell you? Just the same way he caught a plane to watch me is the same way he could've caught one to fight me. He don't want that."

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Dariusz Michalchewski was never the lineal champ. I challenge anyone who claims this to prove it. I'll be waiting.

Michalchewski was the WBO champ when he met WBA/IBF champion Virgil Hill in Germany. After wresting the two belts away, he was given 90 days to defend the WBA title against madatory challenger Lou Del Valle. He was also given 90 days to defend his WBO title.

Upon the advice of Klaus Peter-Kohl - who pretty much controlled the German-based WBO belt - Michalchewski dumped the two belts and opted to keep the WBO. He later claimed 90 days wasn't enough time to defend the title, even though it took him only four months to make his WBO mandatory against the pathetic Nicky Piper.

Many who claim Michalchewski was lineal do this because they wrongfully believe Virgil Hill was the linear champ. He sure wasn't. And Hill got some home-cooking prior to Michalchewski when he defeated the aforementioned Del Valle by split decision. Del Valle was the first to drop him but decisioning Virgil in his hometown North Dakota ain't happening. And of course, there are many who believe Michalchewski didn't wanna fight Del Valle, which was why he dropped the belts.

After stopping Hill, Jones would go on to beat Del Valle EIGHTY-THREE days later lol. How ironic. WBO champ Michalchewski spent the next three years calling Roy out. Negotiations broke down so many times, HBO eventually stepped in. They too claim Kohl wasn't really interested in his fighter facing off against Jones or ever coming to the US. Or as Roy Jones put it, "He flew down here to watch me stop Virgil Hill. After that, he hauled ass and never came back. So what does that tell you? Just the same way he caught a plane to watch me is the same way he could've caught one to fight me. He don't want that."

interesting.

also interesting that you forgot to mention the whole rocchigianni-wbc incident that sent the wbc on the border of bankruptcy.

DM would have also been wbc champion.

and 90 days is less than 4 months.

and most champions get special treatments for their mandatories. they dont get stripped if they fail to defend in 3 months (consdiering big names fight TWICE a year)

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interesting.

also interesting that you forgot to mention the whole rocchigianni-wbc incident that sent the wbc on the border of bankruptcy.

DM would have also been wbc champion.

and 90 days is less than 4 months.

and most champions get special treatments for their mandatories. they dont get stripped if they fail to defend in 3 months (consdiering big names fight TWICE a year)

How could I forget Graciano? I'm sure like wanted to. In any case, another thing I didn't mention is the fact that it was Rochigianni, and not Hill that Jones was supposed to fight on April 25th, 1998. Rochigianni pulled out...typical.

When would DM have been WBC champ when the belt was vacant in 1996? Huh???

I know 90 days is less than 4 months. I thought I made that explicitly clear when I mentioned how Jones fought Del Valle 83 days after beating Hill.

Michalchewski had a choice. WBA/IBF or WBO. We know what he chose.

[Liaison]

Always thought the IBF ordered him to fight a mandatory within 30 days of his fight with Hill...

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How could I forget Graciano? I'm sure like wanted to. In any case, another thing I didn't mention is the fact that it was Rochigianni, and not Hill that Jones was supposed to fight on April 25th, 1998. Rochigianni pulled out...typical.

When would DM have been WBC champ when the belt was vacant in 1996? Huh???

I know 90 days is less than 4 months. I thought I made that explicitly clear when I mentioned how Jones fought Del Valle 83 days after beating Hill.

Michalchewski had a choice. WBA/IBF or WBO. We know what he chose.

how come wbc lost the lawsuit?

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Always thought the IBF ordered him to fight a mandatory within 30 days of his fight with Hill...

False. He was given 30 days to decide - as he was for the WBO, hence the four months it took for him to fight Piper.

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how come wbc lost the lawsuit?

What does that have to do with the vacant WBC title that Jones took from McCallum?

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It's obvious that Darius M. ducked RJJ. Who was the bigger sports figure of the two????

At some points, if Darius was interested in anything more besides having a WBO light-heavy belt, he could have made the effort and come over to the America to persue a fight like Ricky Hatton did with FMJ.

Of course RJJ could have came to Germany some say, but not everybody is like Virgil Hill (who lost the IBF light-heavy title to Darius in a unification after beating the unbeaten Henry Maske for the belt).

At the end of the day, Darius lost to Gonzalez - a guy Roy whiped his ass with. And that pretty much says it all.