Klitschko vs. Thompson: The Pre-Fight Report Card

[Jim Jeffries]

JJ I'm interested to know who were the fighters KD'd Klitschko.

I recall Pannell -1, Sanders-4, Williamson-1, and Peter-3.

At the same time, I don't regard it as evidence that he is "chinny", since Pannell had a huge KO record and with him it was "kill or be killed".

Then in the Sanders fight, the 1st KD was DEFINITELY helped by a simultaneous massive headbutt, and he actually still kept getting up. With all his reputed power, Sanders couldn't put him away.

With Castillo, it was obvious that he was caught off balance and staggered backwards trying to keep his fooring. It's very clear that his body never touched the canvas, as he squatted with his right glove just momentarily touching the canvas. He stood up immediately and continued to give DaV a boxing lesson .............

And all observant viewers could see that the Peter 3 KD's were really 1 rabbit punch, 1 shoulder grab and push, and 1 very doubtful graze as K tripped when going backwards. The commentators specifically pointed all this out, and obviously the ref Randy Neumann was blind. He has a habit of being careless. As we know, Klitschko gave Peter the best boxing lesson he ever had, winning EVERY round not scored against him by the ref.

I this same Peter fight, although shown up as a raw amateur, he still managed to land several ver powerful right hands to Klitschko's jaw, Yet this didn't bother him one tiny bit. So, since he'd had 45 fight, and had vertainly been whacked cleanly on the chin in many of them, if he was "chinny" he's have had many losses by KO.

Well....he doesn't, and every loss can be truthfully explained-the real reasons being something other than a weak chin.

The fighters you mentioned plus Brewster. Upon reviewing that fight though, it looks like the ref pushes him down while trying to break them up after the end of the round, and even though Wlad makes the count, the ref stops the fight even though Wlad has over 50 seconds to recover. He was pretty spent at that point but it still seems a little fishy. The there is Puritty where it seems like Wlad goes down purely from exhaustion, there isn't a single punch from Ross for like 5 seconds before Wlad goes down. That makes 11 total knockdowns, though these two are hardly solid.

The first Sanders knockdown was from a pretty solid headbutt which I don't think Wlad ever fully recovered from, so who knows if the 3 that followed that one would have happened or not. The Williamson knockdown was a flash one where Wlad was caught off balance. The first two Peter knockdowns were clearly illegal rabbit punches and who knows if the third would have happened without the first two.

That leaves the Pannell knockdown, which I haven't seen, but seeing as how Wlad came back in the very next round to stop him, it doesn't appear that he was that hurt in that one.

Damn, maybe Wlad doesn't have such a glass jaw after all.

Sorry James J. I wrote "with Castillo" when it should have been "with Williamson".

Puritty put down Klitschko once, against Brewster Klitschko had a standing 8 count and went down after the bell.

I saw a similar situation a few weeks ago where the guy was knocked down at the bell and all the guy had to do was regain his feet before the 10 count, even though he was a wobbly as hell to win the fight. Here it seemed to me that the ref pushed Wlad down while breaking them up after the bell had rung, then because he had difficulty getting up and was still dazed, he stops the fight. I think a fighter that has 50+ seconds left to recover should be given the benefit of the doubt, especially in a world title fight.

[TheFairPole]

I still can't get over that Brewster fight. Wlad just dropped his arms and had nothing left. He couldn't even stand. I guess by now, we will never know if there was anything going on in that fight...

[TheGreatA]

Klitschko claimed he was poisoned although he has since taken back those claims.

I don't think Wladimir had any trouble with the referee stopping the fight, he knew he had nothing left at that point and said he was fighting more with himself than Brewster.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/02/AR2007070201361.html

http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Henderson/Henderson092704.htm

I tell you right away I hate sore losers and I hate those guys who are looking for any excuse and make something not really good. And I want to tell you that I am not a sore loser and I am not looking for any excuses. I just tried to find the answers for a lot of questions, which I got in this fight. Instead of fighting against Lamon Brewster I fought with myself to be able to move in the ring in the second round. I got some experience in professional boxing with over forty fights and I was in different kinds of fights and it was never like that in my entire career. [Laughing] So instead fighting against my opponent I was fighting against myself and I don’t want the same experience in the future and that why it is important for me to find an answer what was going on. And unfortunately also, I didn’t find anything. And I think the best answer I can get is first of all for myself and that is with my next fight. I think my next fight is the best answer for all those questions with what I got after the upset loss against Brewster.

[Ray*]

It look scary seeing Wlad drop both hands, mouth open with him looking like he cannot defend himself, the ref was 100% right in stopping at that point but i still feel abit surprise everytime i see that fight.

[Jim Jeffries]

It look scary seeing Wlad drop both hands, mouth open with him looking like he cannot defend himself, the ref was 100% right in stopping at that point but i still feel abit surprise everytime i see that fight.

The round was over though, and it looks to me like the ref accidently threw Wlad to the ground while breaking them up after the bell had rung. Sure Wlad took his time getting up and didn't look that great, but with 50+ seconds to recover and get his breath back before the next round, I think he should be given a chance. Ref's stop fights during a round even when a guy beats the count if it looks like he's in such bad shape that he'll just take more punishment. Big difference when you have a minute to recover.

[edgarg]

Puritty put down Klitschko once, against Brewster Klitschko had a standing 8 count and went down after the bell.


Klitschko vs Puritty


Klitschko vs Williamson


Klitschko vs Sanders


Klitschko vs Brewster


Some footage of Klitschko vs Peter

Thanks very much. I never saw the Purrity one before, but I'd read and heard that he collapsed from fatigue, [after beating Purrity around for 10 rounds]. This is exactly what I see.Purrity was arm punching, so that, even though no power, it kept K moving backwards. It looks as if he tripped over himself and couldn't keep his balance. I think it was the 10th rd and his corner stopped it in the rest minute...or was it the 11th??

He tripped exactly the same way in the 10th against Peter, only this time bounced into the ropes and down to thecanvas, getting up immediately. Maybe he has "outsize foot problems". It looks like that.

I have all the other videos, and they bear out what I've written, except that in the Williamson fight K didn't exactly squat, he nearly went to one knee but quickly touched the canvas with his right glove to avoid that. Yet it's a legit KD.

The Brewster shots are pathetic, it's obvious that the guy was sick. He never had stamina trouble before. Thought that they were going to stop it when Brewster went down so heavily the previous round, after taking a ton of punishment for 4 rounds.

So Manchine, now all I have to do is figure a way to keep that Purrity clip.......any suggestions? I don't know much about computers, so it has to be very basic and in simple language. If you haven't, never mind, and thanks again.

[edgarg]

The round was over though, and it looks to me like the ref accidently threw Wlad to the ground while breaking them up after the bell had rung. Sure Wlad took his time getting up and didn't look that great, but with 50+ seconds to recover and get his breath back before the next round, I think he should be given a chance. Ref's stop fights during a round even when a guy beats the count if it looks like he's in such bad shape that he'll just take more punishment. Big difference when you have a minute to recover.

You know I've thought about that very same thing, but in my opinion, K was absolutely drained, it's obvious the guy was sick. In 45 fights many of longer duration, and giving out hefty punishment without resting, he'd never been like that before. It looked as if he was going to faint. The ref id the right thing. But it would have been "righter" if he'd stopped it the previous rd. because Brewster was taking so much punishment.

[edgarg]

Klitschko claimed he was poisoned although he has since taken back those claims.

I don't think Wladimir had any trouble with the referee stopping the fight, he knew he had nothing left at that point and said he was fighting more with himself than Brewster.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/02/AR2007070201361.html

http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Hender...rson092704.htm

He's saying he was fighting, as he put it, "with myself" from the second rd. What he's actually saying is that he felt bad in the 2nd rd, that something was wrong with him and he didn't know what, so was trying to grit his way through it. But he couldn't, an never found out what it was.

Well, the doctors found he had abnormal blood tests or something like that, and there was some hocus pocus about his urine sample which disappeared, as well as someone stealing a team Klitschko badge. and being at the corner.

They were right to try hard to find out what had happened, since it was so unexpected and out of character. He's a multi million dollar industry by himself, and dozens depend on him for their livlihood.

[Nautilus]

I still can't get over that Brewster fight. Wlad just dropped his arms and had nothing left. He couldn't even stand. I guess by now, we will never know if there was anything going on in that fight...

Wlad had been poisoned coming to the Brester fight.

Wlad fought at a much higher pace in the rematch and other fights after the Brewster fight, and he never gassed out the way he did in the Brewster fight.

[bp4pbjr]

This takes us to the points that Mojack and myself were discussing a few days ago about comparing different boxers from different eras, its virtually impossible to do objectively.(http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=194182)
If Wlad can unify the titles he will gain the respect of the informed boxing fans out there as its still a fantastic achievement, it wont be able to be judged objectively against Tysons similar achievement etc as the eras and the division are so different now.

i was saying i feel sorry for him as anyone who wins a title should gain respect but have to say was disappointed with his performance against tony