Aint it funny how some Pac fans CANNOT bring themselves to give Marquez ANY credit?

**flem1** · 07-10-2008, 11:37 AM

Huh?

They never said that Marquez was easy work. It's more on Pac is the bigger draw and the reason the Pac-Jmm fight drew big numbers. Credit to JMM for also contributing in that PPV event but Pacman is th bigger reason for the big PPV buys.

**OTSS** · 07-10-2008, 11:37 AM

They have a hard time because a quasi gay guy damn there beat there hero twice.

**mspiegelo** · 07-10-2008, 11:38 AM

what you suggest is common in youtube comments by ****ing idiots and conveyed in the comments of the overly-nationalistic variety of pinnoys who say racist things against mexicans, but I think that intelligent, objective fans of Pac acknowledge JMM's genius boxing brain. He is a brilliant counterpuncher and has gotten super aggressive as of late which is awesome. I had him winning the second fight (barely), and I am a huuuuge Pac fan.

The one thing I disliked about Marquez was how he cried about being robbed after the second fight. In a fight that close, no one was robbed- it can be seen either way. Raf did the same thing against Izzie, going as far to say they would sue the commission I believe. That kind of poor sportsmanship is annoying, but there is no denying he is a brilliant boxer.

He'll be facing another brilliant boxer in Casamayor and will have his hands full. I hope he didn't bite off more than he can chew, because if he loses, he might blow his Pacquiao rematch, or at least postpone it for another 4 years....

**Chups** · 07-10-2008, 01:08 PM

Maybe because before the rematch, Marquez was fighting at Casino Parking lots. (**Terdsak in Reno, Nevada)

Kidding aside......I kinda realize that in order for Pac to reach over 300K or 400K, he needs a known opponent. Valero, Guzman and Soto won't give this to Pac. Only Hatton, Casamayor and maybe Juan Diaz. The Junior Lightweight and Lightweight division isn't exactly celebrated when it come to PPV buys.

**ИATAS** · 07-10-2008, 01:17 PM

I've always maintained that you need two known names in order to have a very successful PPV unless you're named Oscar de la hoya or Mike Tyson.

For Pacman to have 250,000 buys or whatever the number was is pretty impressive imo since hardly anyone ever heard of Diaz (as far as casual fans go).

Regardless, NO FIGHT should be PPV unless it's two super-stars imo.

**mexicomanda1** · 07-10-2008, 01:41 PM

that's because pacquiao's fans are the most biased and racist fans in the boxing world. but considering they were so heartup for a sports hero i can't really say i blame them!

**nycbigdog2** · 07-10-2008, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by 2501

nothing at all.

According to these dudes, Marquez had NOTHING to do with the the PPV buys for the rematch regardless of the fact that Pac's next fight did HALF or even less then half of what the rematch.

According to these dudes, Marquez was easy work for Pac and Pac even "destroyed" him even though Pac has knocked Marquez down 4 times in their 2 fights and STILL wasn't able to beat him convincingly enough to sway public opinion on who was the definite winner.

seriously.

Who exactly are these dudes? With Marquez's boring counter-punching style which is heavily dependent on his opponents level of aggression, he couldn't fill a high school auditorium..

Why is it guys like you are still stuck on this PAC must beat JMM convincingly bull****??? Its not enough that PAC "officially" beat JMM but somehow for PAC to be awarded a "win" he has to totally obliterate his opponents???

I must have seen PAC/JMM II 10 times and it was close each and every time, but I had PAC winning by at least 1 point... He got the nod from the Judges so for PAC the business ends there.... JMM had two chances already which is more than many fighters would offer another fighter at redemption....

Did Leonard offer Hagler a rematch? Did Calzhaggi offer a rematch to Hopkins? Was there a rematch for Delahoya/Trinidad? These fights along with countless others could have easily, as public opinions are concerned, concluded with reverse decisions but nontheless, did not warrant rematches...

Since when does a fighter have to win convincingly to be awarded a win? Or is PAC the only one thats supposed to be guaged through this unfair standard.. A win by one measly point looks the same in the history book as 12 rounds of complete domination...

**FilAmTKO** · 07-10-2008, 02:15 PM

Marquez can do better

A Boxer With Poor Sportsmanship Will Never Gain Any Respect From Boxing Fans. Marquez Can Do Better In That Department. I Do However Respect Marquez's Boxing Skills.

**2501** · 07-10-2008, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by nycbigdog2

Who exactly are these dudes? With Marquez's boring counter-punching style which is heavily dependent on his opponents level of aggression, he couldn't fill a high school auditorium..

Why is it guys like you are still stuck on this PAC must beat JMM convincingly bull****??? Its not enough that PAC "officially" beat JMM but somehow for PAC to be awarded a "win" he has to totally obliterate his opponents???

I must have seen PAC/JMM II 10 times and it was close each and every time, but I had PAC winning by at least 1 point... He got the nod from the Judges so for PAC the business ends there.... JMM had two chances already which is more than many fighters would offer another fighter at redemption....

Did Leonard offer Hagler a rematch? Did Calzhaggi offer a rematch to Hopkins? Was there a rematch for Delahoya/Trinidad? These fights along with countless others could have easily, as public opinions are concerned, concluded with reverse decisions but nontheless, did not warrant rematches...

Since when does a fighter have to win convincingly to be awarded a win? Or is PAC the only one thats supposed to be guaged through this unfair standard.. A win by one measly point looks the same in the history book as 12 rounds of complete domination...

perfect example of what im speaking of and complete and utter bias.

Aint it funny how some Pac fans CANNOT bring themselves to give Marquez ANY credit?