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them mu'****as are no bruce lee'sComment
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i'm built like fat tua so...... muay thai high kicks are out of the arsenal. lol
i have to depend on boxing as my standup.
kodokan judo is very effective in self defense not so much in mma. in self defense purposes grabbing a guy by his jacket and throwing him onto his head on the pavement is quite effective and not a pleasant experience for the opponent. kosen judo of course is quite similar to bjj in fact it is its predecessor in martial arts lineage.Comment
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Just a couple quick of things;
In 1975 in Houston there was an event entitled "Karate Masters versus Boxing Professionals and International Martial Arts Demonstrations", which featured three stand up matches as part of the card, and for those wishing to know, the results of the fights were as follows;
Termite Watkins KO-4 Chong Lee (2 time Korean national TKD champion)
Gene Wells KO-2 Dong Wook Lee (reigning world champion and two time Korean national TKD champion)
Mike Quarry TKO-1 Yong Tae Lee (TKD Grand Master, who quit the match to try to save face and stormed out of the ring in frustration due to his ineffectivenss against the boxer)
There were also other competitions pitting lesser known boxers against traditional standup martial artists during that time (Karate, Kickboxing, TKD was fairly popular during those days and was even featured on network television at times), and while the TMA won the odd one, it was the boxers who took the vast majority of them into taking apx 9 out of every 10.
As far as Jeet Kune Do goes, lets take a look how pretty the following JKD expert, Tony Valente, looks in the prefight video of him swinging the chucks, hitting the bag, etc. Then take a look at the actual fight itself, and notice the difference and how ineffective the JKD fighter was in using his style in actual competition;
Of course, every fighter should be judged on their own individual merit and not only by the style of fighting they employ, but looking at how ineffective that JKD expert was in ground fighting (and to disagree with the earlier statement that Bruce was the "most complete" fighter), I'm just going to have to believe the words of Gene LeBell when he says that "I don't think he(Bruce) felt very comfortable on the ground". That's coming from someone who was instrumental in trying to teach Bruce about the grappling arts, as stated in the Aug 2001 issue of 'Grappling'.Comment
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good post.Just a couple quick of things;
In 1975 in Houston there was an event entitled "Karate Masters versus Boxing Professionals and International Martial Arts Demonstrations", which featured three stand up matches as part of the card, and for those wishing to know, the results of the fights were as follows;
Termite Watkins KO-4 Chong Lee (2 time Korean national TKD champion)
Gene Wells KO-2 Dong Wook Lee (reigning world champion and two time Korean national TKD champion)
Mike Quarry TKO-1 Yong Tae Lee (TKD Grand Master, who quit the match to try to save face and stormed out of the ring in frustration due to his ineffectivenss against the boxer)
There were also other competitions pitting lesser known boxers against traditional standup martial artists during that time (Karate, Kickboxing, TKD was fairly popular during those days and was even featured on network television at times), and while the TMA won the odd one, it was the boxers who took the vast majority of them into taking apx 9 out of every 10.
As far as Jeet Kune Do goes, lets take a look how pretty the following JKD expert, Tony Valente, looks in the prefight video of him swinging the chucks, hitting the bag, etc. Then take a look at the actual fight itself, and notice the difference and how ineffective the JKD fighter was in using his style in actual competition;
Of course, every fighter should be judged on their own individual merit and not only by the style of fighting they employ, but looking at how ineffective that JKD expert was in ground fighting (and to disagree with the earlier statement that Bruce was the "most complete" fighter), I'm just going to have to believe the words of Gene LeBell when he says that "I don't think he(Bruce) felt very comfortable on the ground". That's coming from someone who was instrumental in trying to teach Bruce about the grappling arts, as stated in the Aug 2001 issue of 'Grappling'.
the problem with martial arts like tae kwon do , karate and kung fu is in how they train. point competitions don't prepare you in a real fight.
boxers are used to getting hit those guys are not. once they get hit in the face all those pretty kicks go out the window.Comment
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I'm as big of a boxing fan as I think we all are here at BS but I'm connected with reality when it comes to Boxing compared to other forms of fighting. Boxing's 2 biggest weaknesses are Muay Thai and Brazilian Ju-Jitsu. When on the street however self defense classes are the best to take. Self defense teaches you how to literally kill a guy or snap his neck or gouge his eyes or destroy the nads so and so forth. Muay Thai would **** a boxer in the street or in the ring as would a Brazilian Ju-Jitsu practicioner. Boxing is a good art form for when your fighting multiple opponents just jab straight right while backing up. BJJ is great for 1 on 1 however when you have multiple opponents you can't just hug a guy on the ground for a minute or two trying to get a lock on him because his friends will just kick the **** out of you. To be honest an MMA guy on the street against a boxer I see the MMA guy winning 9 out 10. Why because all he has to do is take it to the ground and its over. Boxers are just not trained for that.Comment
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