would you rather have mayweathers career or pacquiao???

[JAB5239]

[QUOTE]

My definition of a duck is when you have to fight someone, and you DON'T fight them.

Really? Than why are you crying so loud for Valero? Pac never had to fight him. Valero isn't even ranked in the same organiztaion as Pac at 130. Care to explain?

Second, the offer was for 7mil, not 8.

Can you show us anthing that says Arum offered 7 instead of 8 mil? I know I can find plenty of evidence that says 8 mil, you liar.

You should be talking about Cotto-Margs instead of this mess.

Of course he should talk som,ething else in yopur sorry opinion. He's taking you to school.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Yeah, shane and dlh ducked margs too huh? lol. My definition of a duck is when you have to fight someone, and you DON'T fight them. Second, the offer was for 7mil, not 8. Third, Arum never discussed who Floyd would or shoud fight with Floyd. Promotors do this but floyd was still stinging over not getting paid by Arum and was breaking away from him. Clottey exposed margs as a guy who was overrated. Williams put the icing on the cake. I like margs, but unlike Floyd, he isn't bullet proof. don't overrate him. You should be talking about Cotto-Margs instead of this mess. That fight has you and the slob scared to death. I'm rooting for Margs lol.

Floyd was the welterweight champion without a single defense against a welterweight.

He has to fight a welter or its ducking. In his case, he just retired.

[Kakutogi-Gumi]

All fighters will seek out Pacquiao.

Anyone can make money.

Everyone must earn talent.

Mayweather will not help anyone...but Mayweather.

[Boofdatruth]

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Really? Than why are you crying so loud for Valero? Pac never had to fight him. Valero isn't even ranked in the same organiztaion as Pac at 130. Care to explain?




Can you show us anthing that says Arum offered 7 instead of 8 mil? I know I can find plenty of evidence that says 8 mil, you liar.




Of course he should talk som,ething else in yopur sorry opinion. He's taking you to school.

The Wait Lengthens for Margarito
By Steve Kim (November 9, 2005) Photo © German Villasenor

Warning: to any fighter like WBO welterweight champion Antonio Margarito, who is scheduled to fight on any undercard featuring Vitali Klitschko - make sure you have a contingency plan.

When 'Brittle-ly' damaged his right knee late last week, he didn't just hobble himself, but also fighters like Margarito and WBA junior bantamweight titlist Martin Castillo, who were supposed to be featured performers on the televised portion of the pay-per-view undercard.

As of now, both standout Mexicans are in limbo.

"I don't know, I really don't know," was the answer of a beleaguered Bob Arum, when he was asked by MaxBoxing on Tuesday morning what he had in mind for the duo. "I'm trying, but I can't do everything at the same time. We're trying to do the right thing, find a place for them but you've got to give me time."

Arum sounds frazzled as he says this. It's been a stressful time at Top Rank, which put up over $12 million to win the purse bid for Klitschko's title defense of his WBC belt against Hasim Rahman. Arum and his staff had worked tirelessly to promote the event, which was scheduled for the Thomas and Mack Arena in Las Vegas.

The WBC has granted Klitschko a 60-day reprieve to once again find a way to drop out of his next scheduled date against Rahman.

But now, Arum has to find dates for guys like Margarito, who hasn't fought since late April, when he blew out the previously undefeated Kermit Cintron. He had pitched to have his scheduled bout against Manny Gomez to be added to HBO's telecast of Floyd Mayweather's bout against Sharmba Mitchell on November 19th.

That pitch was rejected.

"They had a movie," explained a perturbed, Arum. "I don't know, I don't understand. I think they're making a big mistake because I think it could've helped that card, but hey, I don't run that network."

So now, Margarito is a fighter without a fight. The news of Klitschko's latest ailment hit them hard.

"We all got down, especially Antonio, because this was a big event," said his co-manager, Sergio Diaz, on Tuesday. "We know it's a big pay-per-view, it's a good opportunity for us to be on a big event like this. We got the news and it just brought all of us down. Especially Antonio, because he had been training so hard, making the weight, the sparring, the time being away from his house and country.

"When we gave him the news it just depressed all of us."

At this time last week, Margarito was in camp preparing for Gomez. While it wasn't the fight he wanted, it was still a significant showcase coming off his watershed win over Cintron.

"I feel proud of that outcome, people were talking about his punch, people were talking about his undefeated record, the big Puerto Rican, and I showed everybody what I was made of," he said last week, through his manager, in South El Monte. "Unfortunately, the bigger fights didn't come after this. We were looking for Oscar De La Hoya, Floyd Mayweather, they didn't come."

It's been a frustrating process for Margarito's management and Top Rank in getting a significant name to sign on the dotted line to face the tough native of Tijuana.

Diaz believes that their promotional company has been diligent in trying to make the lucrative bouts.

"I really do believe them, especially with the money that was offered to Mayweather and Bob came out and spoke about it and the media heard it. So I really think it was something serious and unfortunately Mayweather didn't want to take the fight."

Arum and Diaz say that the 'Pretty Boy' was offered in the neighborhood of $7 million to face Margarito. In what could best be described as a 'business move', the same guy who brazenly challenged the bigger Winky Wright decided to bypass Margarito, to collect nearly $4 million to spar with Sharmba Mitchell.

"Flat turned him down like you can not believe," Arum said of Mayweather when he was offered a chance at the WBO title. "Any time we raised his name, Mayweather went crazy."

Could it be that Mayweather will never get in the ring with him?

"I don't know, you never say never," said Arum last week in Los Angeles, where he was in town for Klitschko's open workout with the media. "Floyd is a very proud guy. The more people talk about all these guys ducking Margarito, of anybody, Floyd is the one who'll step up and say,'I'll face him'. He's a ballsy guy but his people have told him that Margarito is the most dangerous guy for him out there."

The veteran promoter said he was "shocked" that Mayweather would turn down such a payday. But Margarito believes that no matter what the price, Mayweather will avoid him.

"It was heard and it was a fact that Bob Arum offered him a lot of money. And this time it wasn't a question about the money. I really believe it's a question of Mayweather being afraid of fighting me. I have a welterweight title, why doesn't he want to fight me? It's not about the money, it's because he's afraid to face me."

Margarito also yearns for a shot at Zab Judah, who is the recognized welterweight kingpin.

"I don't know why that fight can't be made," he said. "Bob Arum has me, I have a big title. It's a Bob Arum-Don King thing but if I was Zab Judah I would definitely want that fourth title. I don't understand why Zab Judah doesn't want that fight."

But it seems that Judah has his eyes on Mayweather, and perhaps vice-versa. But that bout may be an impossibility to negotiate, not only with Arum and King involved, but the two huge egos of Mayweather and Judah.

"That's Floyd's number one priority, Zab Judah," Arum said last week. "Will that fight happen? I'm not sanguine about it because of Don King's demands. He's got to realize that the attraction is Floyd Mayweather, that Floyd's been the guy who's been on HBO and Zab has had trouble getting money in fights. So that has to be reflected in any deal."

[Boofdatruth]

The rest slob:

2005 has been a frustrating one for Margarito. His two bouts of the year were actually promoted by Main Events and the Gomez fight was supposed to catapult him into bigger and better things for 2006.

"Our goal is to fight a mega-fight," stated Diaz. "To be up there with the big boys. We're looking for anybody from the Mayweathers, for Judah, for Cotto - any of those fighters."

But you get the sense - at least for the time being - that he will be on the outside looking in at the marquee bouts. In many ways, he could be Winky Wright, circa
2001.

"The difference between Margarito and Wright is frankly, ethnic," said HBO analyst, Larry Merchant, who like many others had his plans changed for this weekend. "You would think that a fighter as good and as tough and as exciting as Margarito would build up a following that would give him leverage in order to attract opponents. That hasn't happened, yet.

"He's still relatively young, so presumably it could happen," he said of the 28-year old grinder. "But right now he's in the position where, 'What's the payoff for fighting him?' For the top challengers, if they're going to fight the toughest guy on the street, they want to make sure they can make the most money."

Wright eventually broke through to the next level by downing Shane Mosley twice and then Felix Trinidad. But maybe Margarito will end up as this generation's Mike McCallum, who never got that breakthrough fight.

"I just don't know, because the way Latinos and especially Mexican fighters have dominated the sport recently, you would think that a fighter like him would eventually strike a chord and attract a following," said Merchant, who compares the plight of Margarito to another pair of Mexicans who were once promoted by Arum not too long ago. "Some Latino fighters like the Marquez brothers, for example, have never built a large following. But there are extenuating circumstances because one is a bantamweight and one's a featherweight in an age where there have been more famous featherweights.

"So I don't know if the Margarito question is resolved yet. My guess is that eventually one of the top welterweights will face him on the feeling that it would become a very attractive fight."

But Arum thinks that his situation is similar to a fighter he once promoted from out of obscurity to the big time - Marvin Hagler.

"He's too good, he's too good for his own good," he says of Margarito. "I think he's far and away the best welterweight out there."

His manager agrees with that, but says, "Y'know what? We just won't take that as an excuse anymore. We have a very good promoter, we have a promoter that has a lot of money and we know our promoter can make these fights. Now, it's something they're not doing for some reason. They're putting their money on other fighters but I think they're losing money by not putting their money on Antonio."

Arum says he may do just that to get Margarito the fights he wants in the upcoming year.

"That's a real tough thing and I may have to overpay to get guys to fight him," he said. "But I'm not going to let this happen to a guy that people won't fight because he's too good. That's just wrong."

Diaz says that Margarito would be receptive to being rescheduled on a Telefutura card to finish out the year, not wanting to have this past training camp go to waste. But as you look ahead to 2006, fights involving Shane Mosley-Fernando Vargas and Oscar De La Hoya-Ricardo Vargas are being finalized.

"Definitely, it worries me," admits Margarito. "Having to wait all this time and finding out these fighters are possibly going to fight - nothing's 100 percent till the contract's signed - but the word is out there that these people are going to fight each other. But I'm definitely worried because I know I'm going to have to wait even longer."

Maybe he'll get a fight by the time Klitschko actually steps into the ring.

[Boofdatruth]

Floyd was the welterweight champion without a single defense against a welterweight.

He has to fight a welter or its ducking. In his case, he just retired.

Again, ducking is when you are supposed to fight someone, and you don't. Many boxers don't even duck fighters they are supposed to fight anyway. They in most cases are either injured or go after a big payday payday. It's rare that fighters duck each other. It's comical for anyone to call Floyd a coward or a fighter who ducks fighters.

[Boofdatruth]

Really? Than why are you crying so loud for Valero? Pac never had to fight him. Valero isn't even ranked in the same organiztaion as Pac at 130. Care to explain?

Love to slob. First off, who said Pac HAD to fight Valero? Are you making this up as we go along? Every last poster probably read a thread by me saying if Pac didn't fight Valero I would call him a fraud. Imo Pac has maybe 1 prime fighter who was capable of beating him on his resume. J.M.M was about the closest. Valero can be the first or second depending on how you look at things lol. The lunacy in your posts is comical. Check the underlined. lol.

[Boofdatruth]

What do you need Scott for? You know how to pull up the post, copy and paste. Go do it and stop talking out your ass, ya coward.

This gets an "A" for sounding almost tough lol. I even have the post where Scott called you on your thoughts about 40Cal, but I don't want to copy and paste from another board and paste it here. Someone might get on me for doing that lol. It is bad enough someone commented on me exlaxing on you, I mean commented on us arguing lol. I'll let you live. I've already damaged you with the last response to the 8 mil offer that you wanted proof for. Did Hatton bring 8000 brits to see him fight Collazo? Who's the liar?

[DuttyAlacrity]

This is kinda of a hard question to answer because
Pac-man has defeated more legends, is more loved, and has shown more heart than Mayweather
Mayweather however, is undefeated, one of the most skilled boxers of all time, and has way more money...
As far legacy goes for a boxing champ i'll go with Manny
as far as being a successful, healthy, and rich mofo i'll go with money may
It's weird because manny will probably rank higher than money may as one of the greatest boxers of all time, but Mayweather is far more skilled than manny and if they ever faced mayweather would probably destroy him...

[Solntse]

Pacquiao cause he's considered a hero in his country while Mayweather is hated by a lot, and almost unknown to the public.