Who has the better chin? Wladimir? Lennox?

[BrooklynBomber]

well i know a overhand right or cross does different shock to the brain than a left hook but i don't know if much more dangerous.

louis' ko's came mainly from his right. (though joe had perfect everything hook , cross , uppercut , etc.)

rocky did his damage with suzie q.

lennox did his with his overhand.

shavers overhand right could knock over a volkswagen.

hmmm.....

then of course liston , frazier , tua , etc. did their damage with the hook.

i don't know......

Or Tyson for that matter.

But here comes the backfooted vs frontfooted fighter argument. Most of the frontfooted fighters, thier main weapon is a lefthook(or short, arched punches for that matter), it is much easier for them to master and it was always much more of an offensive weapon then cross which you usually needed to set up with a jab. Thus, frontfooted fighters were usually much more ko-oriented then backfooted fighters(I mean there are exceptions for that, but it is more or less a rule of a thumb) who in many cases fight at range.

I wrote a lot on a difference of a shock from a hook(or an uppercut) from a cross as well, but lets just say that if you took two ko-punches, cross and a hook, left hook usually needs much less power to be a ko, because the energy from it is better absorbed then from a cross, mainly because with a cross you punch through the head and with a hook you punch into the head.

Good case would be Wlad vs Peter where Wlad was not able to hurt Peter significantly with his crosses for the duration of the fight, but one short left hook in the end of the fight had peter on the ***** street. That weaknesses was later exploited even more by Jameel McCline with his uppercuts.

[Left Hook Tua]

That was James Butler.

Etienne is in jail for robbery, car*******, kidnapping and attempted murder.

are you sure?

i thought it etienne?

james butler? wasn't he the same guy in that fight when one guy clocked the other when the referee was raising the other's hand after the decision?

[Left Hook Tua]

Or Tyson for that matter.

But here comes the backfooted vs frontfooted fighter argument. Most of the frontfooted fighters, thier main weapon is a lefthook(or short, arched punches for that matter), it is much easier for them to master and it was always much more of an offensive weapon then cross which you usually needed to set up with a jab. Thus, frontfooted fighters were usually much more ko-oriented then backfooted fighters(I mean there are exceptions for that, but it is more or less a rule of a thumb) who in many cases fight at range.

I wrote a lot on a difference of a shock from a hook(or an uppercut) from a cross as well, but lets just say that if you took two ko-punches, cross and a hook, left hook usually needs much less power to be a ko, because the energy from it is better absorbed then from a cross, mainly because with a cross you punch through the head and with a hook you punch into the head.

Good case would be Wlad vs Peter where Wlad was not able to hurt Peter significantly with his crosses for the duration of the fight, but one short left hook in the end of the fight had peter on the ***** street. That weaknesses was later exploited even more by Jameel McCline with his uppercuts.

very true. i didn't want to mention tyson because both his cross and hook was murder (as well as the upper)

i guess you're right about the hook. plus it's much harder for the body to absorb a sideways motion than a straight back motion. the opponent tends to not see the hook coming as well.

[BrooklynBomber]

very true. i didn't want to mention tyson because both his cross and hook was murder (as well as the upper)

i guess you're right about the hook. plus it's much harder for the body to absorb a sideways motion than a straight back motion. the opponent tends to not see the hook coming as well.

Yeah, but Tyson kept his punches very short and his cross was often done with body mechanics more of a hook.

Tyson is probably the best example of what a frontfooted fighter should strive to.

[TheGreatA]

are you sure?

i thought it etienne?

james butler? wasn't he the same guy in that fight when one guy clocked the other when the referee was raising the other's hand after the decision?

That's him. One of the most classless acts in the history of boxing.

http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1110693/index.htm

[Jim Jeffries]

I know Haye's chin is ****e! Shame Wlad fan boys don't fess up about Wlad's chin though.

Thanks for playing.

It's pretty obvious Wlad's chin isn't the greatest and to me that's part of what makes him an exciting fighter (minus his last fight which wasn't totally his fault.) I think Haye is an exciting fighter as well and wish him the best, if he brings excitement to the HW division, more power to him.

Punching power is the last thing to go.



Did that look like he lost he punching power to you?

Fighting a guy that had been down 10 times in 26 fights against mostly junk competition, anyone can look good. There is no doubt that Tyson had lost much of the speed and power that made him so good when he was younger, by the time he faced Lennox. Hell that was almost 6 years after Holyfield stopped him.

Even though Tyson and Holy were both past their primes when Lennox faced them, his resume is still miles ahead of Wlad's and Wlad had better get cracking if he wants to catch up.

[Left Hook Tua]

Yeah, but Tyson kept his punches very short and his cross was often done with body mechanics more of a hook.

Tyson is probably the best example of what a frontfooted fighter should strive to.

i love those types. frazier , dempsey , tyson , etc. too bad i don't have much video of jack.

since you're the punching mechanics genius , brooklyn , how would you classify young foremans right?

was it more of a hook or overhand? looked very roundhouse to me.

[BrooklynBomber]

i love those types. frazier , dempsey , tyson , etc. too bad i don't have much video of jack.

since you're the punching mechanics genius , brooklyn , how would you classify young foremans right?

was it more of a hook or overhand? looked very roundhouse to me.

Foreman actually was a backfooted fighter, but yeah, his right hand went under a weird trajectory and had a hell of torque.
I would say that Foreman did not have a concrete technique of throwing it and I seen him use both body mechanics.

[Left Hook Tua]

That's him. One of the most classless acts in the history of boxing.



http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.c...0693/index.htm

what a turd.

i remember reading there was a bunch of cops from the police union at the fight watching and they took him straight to jail.

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