The truth about Americans and Boxing...

**ИATAS** · 07-02-2008, 04:51 PM

Yeah I hear what you're saying and I agree a bit. I mean my favorite active fighters are:

Guzman (Dominican Replublic)
bhop (american)
Pacquaio (Philippines)
Miranda (Columbia)
Pavlik (american)
Cotto (Puerto Rican)
Vazquez (Mexico)
Mayorga (Nicaragua)
James Kirkland (american)
Gamboa (Cuban)

I like the person, not what country they are from.

I've noticed though that I typically don't like British fighters, but I just think I haven't really liked any of their boxing personalities. However I'm really starting to like Haye and if he continues to do well I'll be more of a fan....

**2501** · 07-02-2008, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by HappyBoxingFan

Listen, I'm not going to go crazy defending this, because I really could care less, but American are not and have NEVER been nationalistic in boxing. I keep hearing on this site that the YANKS believe this or that... ummm, no... Americans don't get behind fighters like people from other countries. We just don't. I can think of Louis V. Schmelling as, perhaps, the only fight in which Americans considered country as the predominant factor in backing a certain fighter. I'm not saying that American fighters don't receive more media attention here, they do. But, more often than not, Americans will follow a fighter from their ancestral heritage before they follow an American fighter. I wish Americans were more patriotic, but the truth is, they're not.

nothing but the truth.

**Kball15** · 07-02-2008, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by HappyBoxingFan

Listen, I'm not going to go crazy defending this, because I really could care less, but American are not and have NEVER been nationalistic in boxing. I keep hearing on this site that the YANKS believe this or that... ummm, no... Americans don't get behind fighters like people from other countries. We just don't. I can think of Louis V. Schmelling as, perhaps, the only fight in which Americans considered country as the predominant factor in backing a certain fighter. I'm not saying that American fighters don't receive more media attention here, they do. But, more often than not, Americans will follow a fighter from their ancestral heritage before they follow an American fighter. I wish Americans were more patriotic, but the truth is, they're not.

Its very true.

America isnt really a nationalistic country period. We believe so strongly in the fact that we are the worlds super power, that we don't care about other countries. However untrue it may be.

The only time news from another country headlines in the US is if its a disaster.

Theres a lot of reasons for it, but it was pointed out best in Moorers "SICKO" documentary. U could really see the reasons for it in that film.

**bsrizpac** · 07-02-2008, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by HappyBoxingFan

Listen, I'm not going to go crazy defending this, because I really could care less, but American are not and have NEVER been nationalistic in boxing. I keep hearing on this site that the YANKS believe this or that... ummm, no... Americans don't get behind fighters like people from other countries. We just don't. I can think of Louis V. Schmelling as, perhaps, the only fight in which Americans considered country as the predominant factor in backing a certain fighter. I'm not saying that American fighters don't receive more media attention here, they do. But, more often than not, Americans will follow a fighter from their ancestral heritage before they follow an American fighter. I wish Americans were more patriotic, but the truth is, they're not.

Will bounce off the heads of most of the UK trolls around here like a diet plan bounces off of Kirstey Alley.

**βetamax** · 07-02-2008, 05:07 PM

Most Americans don't care. It's really only on messageboards do you see this US-UK/Europe trash talking. Even though most Americans on here may have been pro-Mayweather in the Hatton fight a majority of Americans were actually rooting for Hatton.

I think it has to do with the fact that we're used to being the best at what we actually care about it so there isn't really a need to be supportive.

**Dynamite Kid** · 07-02-2008, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by HappyBoxingFan

Listen, I'm not going to go crazy defending this, because I really could care less, but American are not and have NEVER been nationalistic in boxing. I keep hearing on this site that the YANKS believe this or that... ummm, no... Americans don't get behind fighters like people from other countries. We just don't. I can think of Louis V. Schmelling as, perhaps, the only fight in which Americans considered country as the predominant factor in backing a certain fighter. I'm not saying that American fighters don't receive more media attention here, they do. But, more often than not, Americans will follow a fighter from their ancestral heritage before they follow an American fighter. I wish Americans were more patriotic, but the truth is, they're not.

i dont consider American fans to be nationalistic either they are very ignorant to fighters in Europe definitely ,and pro the fighters they have seen more of but i dont think Americans are nationalistic like most Brits

British people automatically assume that if u discredit a British fighter it is because he is British it cant be becuase u dont like his style or anything else it has to be because he is not American it cant be because he has been protected for a part of his career which can be a fair observation to a degree especially if he is a Frank Warren fighter

when u think about it the most successfull fighters have been American fighters and British fighters have more often than not ,not made the grade when they have stepped upto that next level and that is more like a fact if u are being brutally honest rather than an observation and i think this is where their ignorance of Americans fans comes in because of this they have a tendency to dismiss them outta hand because they have seen it all go wrong for British fighters in the past etc

im not trying to make excuses for American fans for being ingnorant cause that is just plain wrong and **** out of order u should judge somebody on merit not what has happend to their countrymen in the past ,a lot of American fans wont do that though they just dismiss them and dont or wont even bother to make a concerted effort to view that particular fighters credentials to from an hoenst opinion of him but they are confident enough to form a negative opinion based on what little they know about him ,why because of what they have seen in the past fromhis countrymen etc

this may extend further than Sport aswell there was a guy on here the other day asking me a straight up question wether Britain housed a bigger population than the States if that does not suggest a gold fish bowl mentality then

Brits are way to biased and sensitive but American fans are very ignorant and that most the time gets construed as a criticism or lack of recognition to anything British

**TheGreatA** · 07-02-2008, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by Kball15

Its very true.

America isnt really a nationalistic country period. We believe so strongly in the fact that we are the worlds super power, that we don't care about other countries. However untrue it may be.

The only time news from another country headlines in the US is if its a disaster.
Theres a lot of reasons for it, but it was pointed out best in Moorers "SICKO" documentary. U could really see the reasons for it in that film.

Isn't that the definition of 'nationalistic'.

I don't really get what you mean...

**Kris Silver** · 07-02-2008, 05:55 PM

I think most people are a least somewhat patriotic and back they're nation in most things, it's only natural. What ppl say is that Americans on boxing can do more so, and that's not a major criticism. America is a very patriotic country like the UK, Boxing is big in America with key fights being there, so it's kinda natural too.

What ppl actually criticise is bias, and obviously that exists in all nations, but some think more so in the US, and the UK. Tbh I think more so America for the reasons stated, lack of media coverage of the european boxing scene and it's fights, plus a belief the mecca of boxing is usa and nothing needs attention unless its in the US or on US tv.

There's great objective posters all over the place and certainly so of Americans.

**Ryn0** · 07-02-2008, 05:59 PM

They don't tend to favour there own fighters but they are ignorant toward anyone they haven't seen or heard of and dismiss them especially Europeans/Asians. Mexicans/PR tend to get a little more attention because of there reputation for being tough, exciting fighters.

The truth about Americans and Boxing...