Not yet he ain't. But the way he's goin, he will become a legend fans will still talk about after he's long gone.
Did Pacquiao surpass JCC Sr. in greatness?
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Ring Magazine Ratings
End 1984 Jr Lightweights
1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Roger Mayweather - Chavez Ko 2
3. Mario Azabache Martinez - Chavez Ko 8
4. Rafael Solis
5. Bobby Chacon
6. Edgar Castro
7. Kenny Baysmore
8. Pat Cowdell
9. Jean-Marc Renard
10. Kamel Bou-Ali
End 1985 Jr Lightweights
1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Rocky Lockridge - Chavez W12
3. Roger Mayweather
4. Alfredo Layne
5. Mario Azabache Martinez
6. Rafael Solis
7. Kenny Baysmore
8. Johnny De La Rosa
9. Francisco Tomas Da Cruz
10. Barry Michael
End 1986 Jr Lightweights
1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Barry Michael
3. Juan La Porte
4. Rocky Lockridge
5. Mario Azabache Martinez
6. Alfredo Layne
7. Mario Miranda
8. Dennis Cruz
9. Johnny De La Rosa
10. Kenny Baysmore
End 1987 Lightweights
1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Vinny Pazienza
3. Pernell Whitaker
4. Jose Luis Ramirez - Chavez W 11
5. Edwin Rosario - Chavez TKO 11
6. Meldrick Taylor
7. Greg Haugen
8. Primo Ramos
9. Rocky Lockridge
10. Amancio Castro
End 1988 Lightweights
Julio Cesar Chavez, Champion
1. Pernell Whitaker
2. Jose Luis Ramirez
3. Greg Haugen
4. Edwin Rosario
5. Azumah Nelson
6. Amancio Castro
7. Tony Lopez
8. Anthony Jones
9. Rocky Lockridge
10. Brian Mitchell
End 1989 Jr Welterweight
1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Meldrick Taylor - Chavez TKO 12
3. Juan Martin Coggi
4. Roger Mayweather - Chavez TKO 10
5. Livingstone Bramble
6. Loreto Garza
7. Hector Camacho
8. Frankie Randall
9. Sammy Fuentes - Chavez TKO 10
10. Jose Luis Ramirez
End 1989 Ring P4P list
1. Mike Tyson
2. Julio Cesar Chavez
3. Pernell Whitaker
4. Michael Nunn
5. Antonio Esparragoza
6. Meldrick Taylor
7. Azumah Nelson
8. Raul Perez
9. Virgil Hill
10. Marlon Starling
End 1990 Jr Welterweight
1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Loreto Garza
3. Roger Mayweather
4. Hector Camacho
5. Juan Martin Coggi
6. Charles Murray
7. John Meekins
8. Pat Barrett
9. John Duplessis - Chavez Ko 4
10. Angel Hernandez - Chavez Ko 5
End 1990 Ring P4P list
1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Pernell Whitaker
3. Michael Nunn
4. Antonio Esparragoza
5. Meldrick Taylor
6. Evander Holyfield
7. Mike Tyson
8. Raul Perez
9. Myung-Woo Yuh
10. Khaosai Galaxy
End 1991 Jr Welterweight Ratings
1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Rafael Pineda
3. Edwin Rosario
4.Terrence Alli
5. Charles Murray
6. Hector Camacho
7. Greg Haugen
8. Roger Mayweather
9. Loreto Garza
10. Pat Barrett
End 1991 P4P ratings not available
End 1992 Jr Welterweight ratings
1 .Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Pernell Whitaker
3. Terrence Alli - Chavez Ko 6
4. Charles Murray
5. Morris East
6. Rafael Pineda
7. Carlos Gonzalez
8. Hector Lopez
9. Greg Haugen - Chavez Ko 5
10. Kostya Tszyu
End 1992 P4P ratings
1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Pernell Whitaker
3. Terry Norris
4. Orlando Canizales
5. James (Buddy) McGirt
6. Rid**** Bowe
7. Azumah Nelson
8. Sung-Kil Moon
9. Julian Jackson
10. James Toney
End 1993 Jr Lightweight ratings
1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Juan Martin Coggi
3. Charles Murray
4. Zack Padilla
5. Kostya Tszyu
6. Carlos Gonzalez
7. Hector Lopez
8. David Kamau
9. Tony Lopez
10. Ray Oliveira
End 1993 P4P ratings
1. Pernell Whitaker
2. Julio Cesar Chavez
3. James Toney
4. Michael Carbajal
5. Orlando Canizales
6. Evander Holyfield
7. Ricardo Lopez
8. Roy Jones Jr.
9. Kennedy McKinney
10. Yuri Arbachakov
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9+ years of Chavez being #1 in every division he was in, going undefeated and a good 3-4 years he was considered P4P the best in the world.
Manny could pass Chavez in the future but it's hard to match those numbers.Comment
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Ring Magazine Ratings
End 1984 Jr Lightweights
1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Roger Mayweather - Chavez Ko 2
3. Mario Azabache Martinez - Chavez Ko 8
4. Rafael Solis
5. Bobby Chacon
6. Edgar Castro
7. Kenny Baysmore
8. Pat Cowdell
9. Jean-Marc Renard
10. Kamel Bou-Ali
End 1985 Jr Lightweights
1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Rocky Lockridge - Chavez W12
3. Roger Mayweather
4. Alfredo Layne
5. Mario Azabache Martinez
6. Rafael Solis
7. Kenny Baysmore
8. Johnny De La Rosa
9. Francisco Tomas Da Cruz
10. Barry Michael
End 1986 Jr Lightweights
1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Barry Michael
3. Juan La Porte
4. Rocky Lockridge
5. Mario Azabache Martinez
6. Alfredo Layne
7. Mario Miranda
8. Dennis Cruz
9. Johnny De La Rosa
10. Kenny Baysmore
End 1987 Lightweights
1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Vinny Pazienza
3. Pernell Whitaker
4. Jose Luis Ramirez - Chavez W 11
5. Edwin Rosario - Chavez TKO 11
6. Meldrick Taylor
7. Greg Haugen
8. Primo Ramos
9. Rocky Lockridge
10. Amancio Castro
End 1988 Lightweights
Julio Cesar Chavez, Champion
1. Pernell Whitaker
2. Jose Luis Ramirez
3. Greg Haugen
4. Edwin Rosario
5. Azumah Nelson
6. Amancio Castro
7. Tony Lopez
8. Anthony Jones
9. Rocky Lockridge
10. Brian Mitchell
End 1989 Jr Welterweight
1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Meldrick Taylor - Chavez TKO 12
3. Juan Martin Coggi
4. Roger Mayweather - Chavez TKO 10
5. Livingstone Bramble
6. Loreto Garza
7. Hector Camacho
8. Frankie Randall
9. Sammy Fuentes - Chavez TKO 10
10. Jose Luis Ramirez
End 1989 Ring P4P list
1. Mike Tyson
2. Julio Cesar Chavez
3. Pernell Whitaker
4. Michael Nunn
5. Antonio Esparragoza
6. Meldrick Taylor
7. Azumah Nelson
8. Raul Perez
9. Virgil Hill
10. Marlon Starling
End 1990 Jr Welterweight
1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Loreto Garza
3. Roger Mayweather
4. Hector Camacho
5. Juan Martin Coggi
6. Charles Murray
7. John Meekins
8. Pat Barrett
9. John Duplessis - Chavez Ko 4
10. Angel Hernandez - Chavez Ko 5
End 1990 Ring P4P list
1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Pernell Whitaker
3. Michael Nunn
4. Antonio Esparragoza
5. Meldrick Taylor
6. Evander Holyfield
7. Mike Tyson
8. Raul Perez
9. Myung-Woo Yuh
10. Khaosai Galaxy
End 1991 Jr Welterweight Ratings
1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Rafael Pineda
3. Edwin Rosario
4.Terrence Alli
5. Charles Murray
6. Hector Camacho
7. Greg Haugen
8. Roger Mayweather
9. Loreto Garza
10. Pat Barrett
End 1991 P4P ratings not available
End 1992 Jr Welterweight ratings
1 .Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Pernell Whitaker
3. Terrence Alli - Chavez Ko 6
4. Charles Murray
5. Morris East
6. Rafael Pineda
7. Carlos Gonzalez
8. Hector Lopez
9. Greg Haugen - Chavez Ko 5
10. Kostya Tszyu
End 1992 P4P ratings
1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Pernell Whitaker
3. Terry Norris
4. Orlando Canizales
5. James (Buddy) McGirt
6. Rid**** Bowe
7. Azumah Nelson
8. Sung-Kil Moon
9. Julian Jackson
10. James Toney
End 1993 Jr Lightweight ratings
1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Juan Martin Coggi
3. Charles Murray
4. Zack Padilla
5. Kostya Tszyu
6. Carlos Gonzalez
7. Hector Lopez
8. David Kamau
9. Tony Lopez
10. Ray Oliveira
End 1993 P4P ratings
1. Pernell Whitaker
2. Julio Cesar Chavez
3. James Toney
4. Michael Carbajal
5. Orlando Canizales
6. Evander Holyfield
7. Ricardo Lopez
8. Roy Jones Jr.
9. Kennedy McKinney
10. Yuri Arbachakov
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9+ years of Chavez being #1 in every division he was in, going undefeated and a good 3-4 years he was considered P4P the best in the world.
Manny could pass Chavez in the future but it's hard to match those numbers.
I dont really care for statistics, but Ill just throw out that Chavez beat around 14 or 15 champions and has the most successful title fights in the history of the sport. and this was when the title belts meant more than they do today.
but lets try to compare Pacquiao to others when his career is over. for now, lets just enjoy his career.Comment
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good stuff.
I dont really care for statistics, but Ill just throw out that Chavez beat around 14 or 15 champions and has the most successful title fights in the history of the sport. and this was when the title belts meant more than they do today.
but lets try to compare Pacquiao to others when his career is over. for now, lets just enjoy his career.Comment
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Ring Magazine Ratings
End 1984 Jr Lightweights
1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Roger Mayweather - Chavez Ko 2
3. Mario Azabache Martinez - Chavez Ko 8
4. Rafael Solis
5. Bobby Chacon
6. Edgar Castro
7. Kenny Baysmore
8. Pat Cowdell
9. Jean-Marc Renard
10. Kamel Bou-Ali
End 1985 Jr Lightweights
1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Rocky Lockridge - Chavez W12
3. Roger Mayweather
4. Alfredo Layne
5. Mario Azabache Martinez
6. Rafael Solis
7. Kenny Baysmore
8. Johnny De La Rosa
9. Francisco Tomas Da Cruz
10. Barry Michael
End 1986 Jr Lightweights
1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Barry Michael
3. Juan La Porte
4. Rocky Lockridge
5. Mario Azabache Martinez
6. Alfredo Layne
7. Mario Miranda
8. Dennis Cruz
9. Johnny De La Rosa
10. Kenny Baysmore
End 1987 Lightweights
1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Vinny Pazienza
3. Pernell Whitaker
4. Jose Luis Ramirez - Chavez W 11
5. Edwin Rosario - Chavez TKO 11
6. Meldrick Taylor
7. Greg Haugen
8. Primo Ramos
9. Rocky Lockridge
10. Amancio Castro
End 1988 Lightweights
Julio Cesar Chavez, Champion
1. Pernell Whitaker
2. Jose Luis Ramirez
3. Greg Haugen
4. Edwin Rosario
5. Azumah Nelson
6. Amancio Castro
7. Tony Lopez
8. Anthony Jones
9. Rocky Lockridge
10. Brian Mitchell
End 1989 Jr Welterweight
1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Meldrick Taylor - Chavez TKO 12
3. Juan Martin Coggi
4. Roger Mayweather - Chavez TKO 10
5. Livingstone Bramble
6. Loreto Garza
7. Hector Camacho
8. Frankie Randall
9. Sammy Fuentes - Chavez TKO 10
10. Jose Luis Ramirez
End 1989 Ring P4P list
1. Mike Tyson
2. Julio Cesar Chavez
3. Pernell Whitaker
4. Michael Nunn
5. Antonio Esparragoza
6. Meldrick Taylor
7. Azumah Nelson
8. Raul Perez
9. Virgil Hill
10. Marlon Starling
End 1990 Jr Welterweight
1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Loreto Garza
3. Roger Mayweather
4. Hector Camacho
5. Juan Martin Coggi
6. Charles Murray
7. John Meekins
8. Pat Barrett
9. John Duplessis - Chavez Ko 4
10. Angel Hernandez - Chavez Ko 5
End 1990 Ring P4P list
1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Pernell Whitaker
3. Michael Nunn
4. Antonio Esparragoza
5. Meldrick Taylor
6. Evander Holyfield
7. Mike Tyson
8. Raul Perez
9. Myung-Woo Yuh
10. Khaosai Galaxy
End 1991 Jr Welterweight Ratings
1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Rafael Pineda
3. Edwin Rosario
4.Terrence Alli
5. Charles Murray
6. Hector Camacho
7. Greg Haugen
8. Roger Mayweather
9. Loreto Garza
10. Pat Barrett
End 1991 P4P ratings not available
End 1992 Jr Welterweight ratings
1 .Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Pernell Whitaker
3. Terrence Alli - Chavez Ko 6
4. Charles Murray
5. Morris East
6. Rafael Pineda
7. Carlos Gonzalez
8. Hector Lopez
9. Greg Haugen - Chavez Ko 5
10. Kostya Tszyu
End 1992 P4P ratings
1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Pernell Whitaker
3. Terry Norris
4. Orlando Canizales
5. James (Buddy) McGirt
6. Rid**** Bowe
7. Azumah Nelson
8. Sung-Kil Moon
9. Julian Jackson
10. James Toney
End 1993 Jr Lightweight ratings
1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Juan Martin Coggi
3. Charles Murray
4. Zack Padilla
5. Kostya Tszyu
6. Carlos Gonzalez
7. Hector Lopez
8. David Kamau
9. Tony Lopez
10. Ray Oliveira
End 1993 P4P ratings
1. Pernell Whitaker
2. Julio Cesar Chavez
3. James Toney
4. Michael Carbajal
5. Orlando Canizales
6. Evander Holyfield
7. Ricardo Lopez
8. Roy Jones Jr.
9. Kennedy McKinney
10. Yuri Arbachakov
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9+ years of Chavez being #1 in every division he was in, going undefeated and a good 3-4 years he was considered P4P the best in the world.
Manny could pass Chavez in the future but it's hard to match those numbers.Comment
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yeah, just like what JCC jr. is doing now, fighting bums on his first 30-50 fights!Comment
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But some morons here thinks it because Pac hasn't fought a lot of fighters which to me is MOOT when it comes to acquiring greatness. JCC fought a lot of great fighters but it cannot be denied that he fought a lot of bums that padded his record.
There's already a lot of coomplaining from critics whenever Pac fights average level fighters.....how can someone expect him to pad his record.....lol.
Anyway it's just a question and it didn't come from pinoyland.....lol.Comment
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some people are such children about the 'tomato can' thing. theres nothing wrong with fighting bums to keep in shape and give your poorer hometown fans a show. plus Mexican fighters dont often have amateur careers because they need money. thats what all those early fights are for.
fighting bums is not a bad thing, but its not a good thing either. instead, just judge the fighter on his signifigant wins.Comment
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some people are such children about the 'tomato can' thing. theres nothing wrong with fighting bums to keep in shape and give your poorer hometown fans a show. plus Mexican fighters dont often have amateur careers because they need money. thats what all those early fights are for.
fighting bums is not a bad thing, but its not a good thing either. instead, just judge the fighter on his signifigant wins.Comment
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