Kessler was "ducking" Miranda?

[randy johnson]

Why, exactly?

You yanks don't half make me laugh.

Kessler is now WBA champion again, and Miranda is where?


Last time i checked Miranda wasnt a american so who cares what happened to him.It is hilarious how europeans think they mean something now in boxing because they have a few boxing champions.How many years did this country rule the sport? It is about time you people do something in the sport of boxing.

[Steak]

So me and you have some of the same thaught. But you are way better at wording it. I think I should just stop posting and just read what you 2 post. Fun debate tho

haha nah I just type too much. Im falling asleep tho, the fights are starting to wear off on me, so carry on I guess? haha

I do enjoy these debates. otherwise, why would I bother.

[x-PeROxiDE-x]

The WBA USED TO be the real belt. and it USED TO be one of the most respected years back.

nowadays, it is garbage. for a number of reasons.
-They never enforce their mandatories...aka Mundine fighting bum after bum for title defences, and them not caring at all.
-Their rankings suck, even more than the rest of the alphabet belts.
-They end up having 2 champions if a fighter holds the WBA belt and another alphabet belt. thats great, aint it? so just in case someone actually unifies, they spit out another 'regular' WBA title belt, so that we can have 4 again! thank goodness!

so basically, having title defences with a WBA belt doesnt mean anything. its a joke nowadays, and by far the worst belt out there. a real disgrace, considering it was THE belt.

If Kessler fought Miranda, he could have skipped that 'climbing the ladder' business, and jumped right back into the mix and get big fights off the bat. now hes just gonna get held up by worthless mandotories, and be pushed to the back of the line for any big fights.

The reason it gets no respect is the fault of the sanctioning bodys.
I understand rebuilding the legacy part, but being televised and beating a known fighter, will get people talking about you, beating either of the two guys realy won't do anything for his legacy, but if you look good you get more fans(outside of hime town). And that creats a demand to be seen, kessler won a belt, but AA who just knocked out this "bum" has a better shot on landing a fight with winky, or pavlik, or any other top fighter.

This is all true, but can anyone really blame a fighter for wanting to be a champion?

After all, isn't that what the sport is about, proving yourself to be the best?

I know Kessler hasn't proven himself the best, but now he has a belt he has a bargaining tool for bigger fights, considering he is still a very live and dangerous opponent.

Beating Miranda, although profile raising, would only add to the difficulty he has in nailing down big fights, as he would become more avoided.

[moy22487]

haha nah I just type too much. Im falling asleep tho, the fights are starting to wear off on me, so carry on I guess? haha

I do enjoy these debates. otherwise, why would I bother.

He's a good guy to debate againts, most other people would be throwing insults by now. I see were he is comeing from, but a good showing will get you farther then one belt in a division that has many. if he keeps posting I guess ill keep debateing with him, even tho I can't spell and sometimes I can't get my thaughts down as fast as they pop into my head.

[x-PeROxiDE-x]

He's a good guy to debate againts, most other people would be throwing insults by now. I see were he is comeing from, but a good showing will get you farther then one belt in a division that has many. if he keeps posting I guess ill keep debateing with him, even tho I can't spell and sometimes I can't get my thaughts down as fast as they pop into my head.

As lojng as the content of your posts is accurate and informed (and I have to say that it is) spelling is an afterthought.

Nobody should care about your spelling if you are making good points, usually people only pick up on things like that when they are running out things to say.

Anyway, I hate to spoil your fun, but I have to sleep now, it's 7 AM and I haven't slept yet, absolutely shattered.

[moy22487]

This is all true, but can anyone really blame a fighter for wanting to be a champion?

After all, isn't that what the sport is about, proving yourself to be the best?

I know Kessler hasn't proven himself the best, but now he has a belt he has a bargaining tool for bigger fights, considering he is still a very live and dangerous opponent.

Beating Miranda, although profile raising, would only add to the difficulty he has in nailing down big fights, as he would become more avoided.

That's a good point he would be avoided. Then we would be makeing threads about how so and so ducked kessler.
Look at winky, he was avoided, he took a fight vs fraizer(I think was the name). And he got a shot againts mosely. After being avoided after his fight with vargas were he looked good in.
Incase that last paragraph only made sence to me, ill say it like this.
Winky vs vargas- winky losses but looks good in the fight, so people don't choose to fight him.
Winky vs fraizer(not sure on name)- winky took care of buinsness and put him self in a fight with mosely, look at winky now. He is still avoided but his legacy is made because he took a not so big fight and did what he had to do.
Mosely 2x, taylor, hopkins, and vargas, win lose or draw that's a good legacy, and it started because he took a fight againts a lesser guy and looked good.

[Run]

Why, exactly?

You yanks don't half make me laugh.

Kessler is now WBA champion again, and Miranda is where?

Miranda is a Columbian.



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[moy22487]

As lojng as the content of your posts is accurate and informed (and I have to say that it is) spelling is an afterthought.

Nobody should care about your spelling if you are making good points, usually people only pick up on things like that when they are running out things to say.

Anyway, I hate to spoil your fun, but I have to sleep now, it's 7 AM and I haven't slept yet, absolutely shattered.

Ill keep an eye for ur post, you backed up your stuff well, and I like the fact that we never resorted to name calling. See ya around

[sniperatdk]

I think we need to define what we mean when we say “ducked”. I guess most people here take as meaning that one fighter is afraid of the other.

Does anybody here really think Kessler was afraid of Miranda? I don’t think Kessler is afraid of anyone. But, having said that, I DO think, at least on paper, that Kessler took the easy way to get back a title. Though Sartison is unknown in most parts of the world, he certainly wasn’t a bum - but then again, he certainly wasn’t Joe Calzaghe.

But I can understand why Kessler did what he did. He has just gotten off a 6 months lay-off after suffering his only loss (and a hand injury) and an opportunity presented itself to fight for a world title. Business wise I think this will help him in the long run. Now he has a title and that will increase his marketability in the future.

Would it have helped Kessler’s marketability in the US by knocking out Miranda? Actually, I don’t think so. Miranda got exposed and after watching him being destroyed by Abraham I was like: “That’s it? Was that really what all the fuss was about?”. I’m not taking anything away from Abraham, he fought a disciplined and solid fight - but Miranda simply isn’t that good.

Miranda, while talking a good game - and calling out people left and right, got his suspect chin exposed once again. Abraham proved that anyone with a bit of power (and a little something between the ears) will always destroy the overrated and much hyped Miranda.

Anyway, my 2 cents.

[moofo]

This is all true, but can anyone really blame a fighter for wanting to be a champion?

After all, isn't that what the sport is about, proving yourself to be the best?

I know Kessler hasn't proven himself the best, but now he has a belt he has a bargaining tool for bigger fights, considering he is still a very live and dangerous opponent.

Beating Miranda, although profile raising, would only add to the difficulty he has in nailing down big fights, as he would become more avoided.

So is Kessler now the Champion?
And proven he is best?
He defeated an unknown fighter in his hometown , well Brondby which is just outside Copenhagen actually.
To say Miranda is more of a bum than Sartisan is a joke.
Kessler wasn't even televised.
The likelyhood is that Team palle wanted to ease Kessler back into contention with an easy opponent for his comeback fight.
Kessler would be very susceptible to Mirandas dangerous over hand right as well.
To just write Miranda off as a bum because he lost to an undefeated Warrior is a disgrace as well bearing in mind Miranda has provided a 1000x more entertainment than a lot of so called Greats in recent history.
You mention you were drinking beer all night well that is not a surprise when you read back through your horse****.