Kessler was "ducking" Miranda?

[moy22487]

Kessler could of cashed in on thay, he could of gotten more exposure and more money.
Like some of the guys stated, his belt doesn't mean anything, his fight was not televised, if he would of faught miranda I can almost guarentee hbo or showtime would of picked it up.
If your a know fighter, that has real power, and has a name, and you called out pavlik and he chose to fight some body who: is unknown, yeah I would call it ducking.

(Sorry for the bad spelling)

[deanrw]

When have I ever labelled all American fighters as bums?

I rest my case.

And Deanrw, i am aware that Miranda is columbian, but the majority of his fights are in America, and most people hyping him were American's.

Most Europeans were well aware he would make an easy nights work of Miranda now his jaw wasn't broken.

Just a thought as well, round 4 of both fights was pretty eventful!

Why did you make a statement to me when I did not even post in this thread?

[x-PeROxiDE-x]

If RJJ had no one else to fight and had been inactive for a year, and Calzaghe had publicly called him out multiple times, and they both had a contract for the fight made...and then RJJ pulled out then yes, you could make an argument that RJJ ducked Calzaghe.

I was merely using that as an example of how flawed his logic is, I didn't mean RJJ ducked Calzaghe (although he has admitted that he did, near enough)

Why did you make a statement to me when I did not even post in this thread?

Apologies, it was Blackirish.

Too much beer tonight I think.

[deanrw]

Apologies, it was Blackirish.

Too much beer tonight I think.

haha understood. I had to go back to see if I did actually make a post!LOL

[roundingace]

sigh.......Miranda is not American. and he was not overhyped just by Americans either.


and the answer to your question? I would have fought Miranda. lets look at what happened today...

Abraham beat Miranda, and he is now probebly getting a big money fight with Pavlik!
Kessler beat whoever that was, and he is now probebly getting a 'who gives a damn' fight with Haussler!

that about answers that question. who cares about a worthless alphabet belt, theyre garbage nowadays.

Spot on my friend.

[moy22487]

There is nothing wrong with ducking a fighter. Almost every body has done it.

Kessler took an easier fight and won a title, but that's all I know because I didn't know much about the fight and I didn't get a chance to see it, all I know is what I've read here. But Arthur just beat miranda on a big hyped fight, know he can make demands, because he has show something special, america has seen kessler twice, one he went 12 and beat andrade, the second he lost 12 to cal, he had a shot to maybe ko or get koed in what could of been a fun fight, he skipped out on it. If its not called ducking the its just a bad decision

[x-PeROxiDE-x]

There is nothing wrong with ducking a fighter. Almost every body has done it.

Kessler took an easier fight and won a title, but that's all I know because I didn't know much about the fight and I didn't get a chance to see it, all I know is what I've read here. But Arthur just beat miranda on a big hyped fight, know he can make demands, because he has show something special, america has seen kessler twice, one he went 12 and beat andrade, the second he lost 12 to cal, he had a shot to maybe ko or get koed in what could of been a fun fight, he skipped out on it. If its not called ducking the its just a bad decision

Fighting Miranda would have got him nowhere in terms of ranking though, Miranda hasn't even been campaigning at SMW for that long.

Kessler is trying to rebuild the legacy he lost in losing to Calzaghe, getting a belt is the bottom of a very long ladder back to the top.

Also, the WBA is not just "some alphabet belt", it is the original title, the one that was held by all the greats, back in the days when there was only one champion. It should be the most respected, although for some reason, it rarely is.

[Steak]

Fighting Miranda would have got him nowhere in terms of ranking though, Miranda hasn't even been campaigning at SMW for that long.

Kessler is trying to rebuild the legacy he lost in losing to Calzaghe, getting a belt is the bottom of a very long ladder back to the top.

Also, the WBA is not just "some alphabet belt", it is the original title, the one that was held by all the greats, back in the days when there was only one champion. It should be the most respected, although for some reason, it rarely is.

The WBA USED TO be the real belt. and it USED TO be one of the most respected years back.

nowadays, it is garbage. for a number of reasons.
-They never enforce their mandatories...aka Mundine fighting bum after bum for title defences, and them not caring at all.
-Their rankings suck, even more than the rest of the alphabet belts.
-They end up having 2 champions if a fighter holds the WBA belt and another alphabet belt. thats great, aint it? so just in case someone actually unifies, they spit out another 'regular' WBA title belt, so that we can have 4 again! thank goodness!

so basically, having title defences with a WBA belt doesnt mean anything. its a joke nowadays, and by far the worst belt out there. a real disgrace, considering it was THE belt.

If Kessler fought Miranda, he could have skipped that 'climbing the ladder' business, and jumped right back into the mix and get big fights off the bat. now hes just gonna get held up by worthless mandotories, and be pushed to the back of the line for any big fights.

[moy22487]

Fighting Miranda would have got him nowhere in terms of ranking though, Miranda hasn't even been campaigning at SMW for that long.

Kessler is trying to rebuild the legacy he lost in losing to Calzaghe, getting a belt is the bottom of a very long ladder back to the top.

Also, the WBA is not just "some alphabet belt", it is the original title, the one that was held by all the greats, back in the days when there was only one champion. It should be the most respected, although for some reason, it rarely is.

The reason it gets no respect is the fault of the sanctioning bodys.
I understand rebuilding the legacy part, but being televised and beating a known fighter, will get people talking about you, beating either of the two guys realy won't do anything for his legacy, but if you look good you get more fans(outside of hime town). And that creats a demand to be seen, kessler won a belt, but AA who just knocked out this "bum" has a better shot on landing a fight with winky, or pavlik, or any other top fighter.

[moy22487]

The WBA USED TO be the real belt. and it USED TO be one of the most respected years back.

nowadays, it is garbage. for a number of reasons.
-They never enforce their mandatories...aka Mundine fighting bum after bum for title defences, and them not caring at all.
-Their rankings suck, even more than the rest of the alphabet belts.
-They end up having 2 champions if a fighter holds the WBA belt and another alphabet belt. thats great, aint it? so just in case someone actually unifies, they spit out another 'regular' WBA title belt, so that we can have 4 again! thank goodness!

so basically, having title defences with a WBA belt doesnt mean anything. its a joke nowadays, and by far the worst belt out there. a real disgrace, considering it was THE belt.

If Kessler fought Miranda, he could have skipped that 'climbing the ladder' business, and jumped right back into the mix and get big fights off the bat. now hes just gonna get held up by worthless mandotories, and be pushed to the back of the line for any big fights.

So me and you have some of the same thaught. But you are way better at wording it. I think I should just stop posting and just read what you 2 post. Fun debate tho