Eddie Chambers KOs Raphael Butler

[The Hammer]

Chambers could have stopped Calvin Brock as well if Brock wasn't on the retreat for the last couple of rounds. Brock was busted up and hurt as well. Chambers power is seriously underrated becuase he is more known for his boxing ability and quickness. I actually don't understand what happened in the Povetkin fight. He didn't seem fatigued or hurt at any point of fight, he simply stopped fighting. He wouls have success when he would let his hands go. He was landing at will.

What happened in the Povetkin fight was that Sasha's relentless pressure - 60-70 punches a round - kept Eddie from going on the attack. Eddie was in defensive mode for most of the last nine rounds.

Povetkin was surprised by Chambers hand speed and power, but adapted to it well. Another thing to consider is that Povetkin had the flu - he said afterwards he will never again fight when he's sick.

[Guest]

What happened in the Povetkin fight was that Sasha's relentless pressure - 60-70 punches a round - kept Eddie from going on the attack. Eddie was in defensive mode for most of the last nine rounds.

Povetkin was surprised by Chambers hand speed and power, but adapted to it well. Another thing to consider is that Povetkin had the flu - he said afterwards he will never again fight when he's sick.

Yeah, he didn't look great, but he did what good fighter do, kept fighting.
He still takes too many punches, but he's got a nice pedigree and some nice short shots in his arsenal. He still gets worked over by the jab, but he seems to adapt ok and fights the whole fight.

[TheGreatA]

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/view.php?pg=compubox-alexander-povetkin-eddie-chambers

Chambers blocked just about every punch Povetkin threw but to Povetkin's credit he kept throwing (how many heavyweights throw nearly 100 punches a round), even with the flu.

It's ridiculous that Chambers threw just 15 punches in the last two rounds, he just didn't seem to want to win it. Maybe he knew he couldn't (in Germany) or maybe the cumulative effect of Povetkin's blocked punches got to him.

The scorecards were surprisingly wide with one of the judges scoring it 119-109 for Povetkin despite Chambers outlanding Povetkin in the first six rounds.

[Ray*]

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/vi...eddie-chambers

Chambers blocked just about every punch Povetkin threw but to Povetkin's credit he kept throwing (how many heavyweights throw nearly 100 punches a round), even with the flu.

It's ridiculous that Chambers threw just 15 punches in the last two rounds, he just didn't seem to want to win it. Maybe he knew he couldn't (in Germany) or maybe the cumulative effect of Povetkin's blocked punches got to him.

The scorecards were surprisingly wide with one of the judges scoring it 119-109 for Povetkin despite Chambers outlanding Povetkin in the first six rounds.

I think Chambers gave up mentally in the last 3 rounds when he knew He couldnt hurt povektin, Chanmbers doesnt have the power to hurt most HW anyway but Povektin's output did bother him, I was also surprise at how a judge could have scored the fight 119-109 for povektin...lol

[The Hammer]

Chambers blocked just about every punch Povetkin threw but to Povetkin's credit he kept throwing (how many heavyweights throw nearly 100 punches a round), even with the flu.

He didn't block "just about every punch" at all. He did block a lot of them, but the punchstats indicate during the fight, Povetkin landed a greater number of punches. In the middle to late rounds, Povetkin was more frequently breaking through Chambers "ear muffs" defense by throwing combinations. It was amazing what a workrate Povetkin had, considering he had the flu!

It's ridiculous that Chambers threw just 15 punches in the last two rounds, he just didn't seem to want to win it. Maybe he knew he couldn't (in Germany) or maybe the cumulative effect of Povetkin's blocked punches got to him.

Wrong on all counts. You seem very disappointed the American lost.

1) Eddie wanted to win it but Povetkin's relentless pressure kept him on the defensive
2) Being in Germany doesn't mean he couldn't win, and I'm sure he didn't believe he couldn't win a decision, or else he wouldn't have been there! None of the judges that day were from Germany anyway!
3) Again, although many of Povetkin's punches were blocked, he also landed more than Chambers. In the last few rounds, Povetkin had adjusted to Eddie's style by throwing combinations and breaking through his Winky Wright "ear muffs" defense. Did you see the swellings under Chambers eyes at the end of it?

The scorecards were surprisingly wide with one of the judges scoring it 119-109 for Povetkin despite Chambers outlanding Povetkin in the first six rounds.

Obviously you were rooting for the American to defeat the European, right?

I question the compubox punch stats, which were compiled by an American observer. Still, they show Povetkin landed more power punches and total punches. The judge with the widest score was from Mexico, not a German! I scored it 117-111, and it could easily have been wider taking into consideration that Povetkin took the fight to Chambers from the opening bell, and for most of the fight had better ring generalship and controlled the pace.

Here's the fight summary:

http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.ph...=Fight:1253226

[Tobi.G]

Eddie Chambers has more power than most people think!

I knew this would happen cause io have checked Butlers rekord on boxrec before the fight. He was already stopped by some local bums!! And Chambers is a not a local bum but a good fighter. Really NO suprise in the outcome here.
Fast Fattie is on the way back to top!
When he fought Povetkin he gave that fight away! He had the tools to beat Povetkin but as a result of his bad shape he got tired in the late rounds but if Chambers improves a bit and gets better conditioned i would say he beats Povetkin in a remtach. Or maybe that was just a mental thing against Povetkin, he doesnt seemed to be verry eager to win the fight, showed lack of heart. And Povetkin is verry overrated.

[TheGreatA]

Povetkin is a good fighter with an entertaining style and it was not meant to be an insulting post, I was simply stating what I saw during the fight, backed up with the compubox punch stat numbers.

Even Povetkin agreed, he fought a bad fight, took a lot of clean shots but pulled it out because he wanted to win more. The fight was certainly not a 119-109 type of decision.



Being from where I am (Nordic/Eastern Europe), I've seen a lot of trash decisions here go the local hometown guys way, I'm sure many agree that there have been dodgy decisions in Germany and elsewhere in Europe (and America) scored in favour of the local guy.

When you go fight in the other countries, you look to dominate the opposition because they'll probably give it to the other guy if it's close (sometimes even when it's not close).

There's a chance that Chambers thought he would be able to hurt Povetkin and win by TKO or dominate him, when Povetkin took his shots and kept coming, Chambers seemed discouraged.

Maybe he thought that he could not win a decision and he could not with the way the judge was scoring every close round to Povetkin (just about a shutout).

It's just speculating, I also gave other reasons which you also stated, Povetkin's pressure got to him in the later rounds.

The judges don't necessarily have to be German, I don't think any of the judges in Ottke - Reid or Ottke - Larsen were German but they still scored it for Ottke by comfortable margins.

Did you see the swellings under Chambers eyes at the end of it?

Did you see Povetkin's?

[The Hammer]

Povetkin is a good fighter with an entertaining style and it was not meant to be an insulting post, I was simply stating what I saw during the fight, backed up with the compubox punch stat numbers.

You're forgetting the compubox numbers showed Povetkin landed more punches in the fight. Still, I thought the margin was wider - maybe the American who was counting the punches was a little biased, or is that impossible?

Even Povetkin agreed, he fought a bad fight, took a lot of clean shots but pulled it out because he wanted to win more. The fight was certainly not a 119-109 type of decision.

That's not what Povetkin said. He said he would never again fight when sick.

Being from where I am (Nordic/Eastern Europe), I've seen a lot of trash decisions here go the local hometown guys way, I'm sure many agree that there have been dodgy decisions in Germany and elsewhere in Europe (and America) scored in favour of the local guy.

The worst judging I've seen has been here in the US and in Britain. US examples: Holyfield vs. Lewis I, Sturm vs. De La Hoya and Casamayor vs. Santa Cruz. British example: M'Baye vs. Kotelnik.

If you're really European, why do you never complain when European fighters are cheated by judges?

When you go fight in the other countries, you look to dominate the opposition because they'll probably give it to the other guy if it's close (sometimes even when it's not close).

Not when it's not close, if the judges are from neutral countries. The three judges were from Britain, South Africa and Mexico.

There's a chance that Chambers thought he would be able to hurt Povetkin and win by TKO or dominate him, when Povetkin took his shots and kept coming, Chambers seemed discouraged.

No - he just didn't want to keep getting hit, so he went into a defensive shell.

Maybe he thought that he could not win a decision and he could not with the way the judge was scoring every close round to Povetkin (just about a shutout).

He wouldn't have been there if he thought he couldn't win a decision. You are making lame excuses for Chambers! The judges were not from Germany or Russia.

It's just speculating, I also gave other reasons which you also stated, Povetkin's pressure got to him in the later rounds.

Although reluctantly, you finally state the truth! Congratulations!

Povetkin won because he was the better fighter that day, despite having the flu.

The judges don't necessarily have to be German, I don't think any of the judges in Ottke - Reid or Ottke - Larsen were German but they still scored it for Ottke by comfortable margins.

Somehow just being in Germany makes them unfair? Maybe it's the air over there!

Did you see Povetkin's?

Yes, but that was done in the first three rounds only, and it showed up a lot more because of Sasha's very pale complexion.