The Ghost vs The Hit Man at 160

[slicksouthpaw16]

Duran was a 140 pounder who had the power to move up to middle weight and kick ass because there was no challenger. Thats what made Duran slightly better then the rest of the fab crew

Duran was a lightweight (135 pounds) and never fought at 140. He went from lightweight clear up to welter into title contention.

[El Dominicano]

When was this? Because Hearns has always had trouble fighting in the later rounds, even when he was in his peak at welterweight. In fact, all of his losses came in the hands of fighters that out lasted him. He also doesn't know how to tie up when he is hurt.

Wrong that you would say this. Threw out years everyone forgot who Hearns "The Boxer" Is. The problem here was that he had a bad habit of getting too into it, when he was clearly winning most of the rounds. In my opinion he could have easily outbox'd Hagler kept his disance against Leonard and had won. But he chose not to because that was the type of guy that he was.

[El Dominicano]

Duran was a lightweight (135 pounds) and never fought at 140. He went from lightweight clear up to welter into title contention.

Sorry about that thanks for the correction

[El Dominicano]

Read post 28 genius.

Sorry about that. I just owned myself

[BennyST]

I really can't decide of people are taking the piss or not.... C'mon, is anyone actually serious they believe that Pavlik would win at this stage? He's only beaten Taylor for ****s sake. In the second fight Taylor tried to box and had great success. Now imagine Tommy boxing Pavlik....Pavlik would be eating that piston-like jab all night. If he didn't get KO'ed in the first few rounds his face would be busted up and he is not a big enough one punch knockout artist to beat Hearns by KO.

For everyone saying Hearns was super chinny, answer this, how many times did he actually get KO'd? For someone that's supposedly really chinny, it isn't very much. Pavlik doesn't have the skills. one punch KO power, and he's only won one defense of his middleweight title against a hack and he's already beating Hearns?!

Some people need to get a ****ing grip on their hysteria. The guys jumping in for Pavlik here would be the same guys that would go nuts in a mob. ******s. Did I also hear someone say Duran hand picked his opponents? You ****ing douche.

[Ryn0]

When was this? Because Hearns has always had trouble fighting in the later rounds, even when he was in his peak at welterweight. In fact, all of his losses came in the hands of fighters that out lasted him. He also doesn't know how to tie up when he is hurt.

Not all his losses, Hagler-Hearns. I didn't see Hearns tired it the Leonard fight either, he was moving around alot and still jabbing, Leonard just used the right stratergy and pinned him against the ropes caught him with a MASSIVE left hook (i think) which only looked like it grazed and Tommy was almost out and then the stoppage came.

I think it was his chin that let him down really because he couldn't be outboxed by the best but he made mistakes and left his chin exposed which is a bad idea against the great fighters that he lost to.

[slicksouthpaw16]

Wrong that you would say this. Threw out years everyone forgot who Hearns "The Boxer" Is. The problem here was that he had a bad habit of getting too into it, when he was clearly winning most of the rounds. In my opinion he could have easily outbox'd Hagler kept his disance against Leonard and had won. But he chose not to because that was the type of guy that he was.

Hearns didn't like to be roughed up on the inside and Hagler really brought it. Hearns had to spend as much energy as he did becuase he needed to land something big and get Hagler's respect, which didn't happen. Hagler didn't allow Hearns to box, he threw him out of his game plan by immediately going to the body and bringing the fight to him from the opening bell. Hagler was and would have always been a bad style match up for Hearns.

If there is anyone that Hearns had a shot at beating was Leonard and Barkely. He could have boxed Barkely is he had played it safe and didn't try to get him out. He was clearly winning the fight and dishing out a beating before he was caught cold in the 3rd round. He fadded against Leonard and was slowly broken down from Ray's body attack. He was easily out pointing him until round 8 when he was staggered. The fight started to shift from that point on. Tommy was horrible at pacing himself and reacting to being hurt.

[dc6112]

I really can't decide of people are taking the piss or not.... C'mon, is anyone actually serious they believe that Pavlik would win at this stage? He's only beaten Taylor for ****s sake. In the second fight Taylor tried to box and had great success. Now imagine Tommy boxing Pavlik....Pavlik would be eating that piston-like jab all night. If he didn't get KO'ed in the first few rounds his face would be busted up and he is not a big enough one punch knockout artist to beat Hearns by KO.

For everyone saying Hearns was super chinny, answer this, how many times did he actually get KO'd? For someone that's supposedly really chinny, it isn't very much. Pavlik doesn't have the skills. one punch KO power, and he's only won one defense of his middleweight title against a hack and he's already beating Hearns?!

Some people need to get a ****ing grip on their hysteria. The guys jumping in for Pavlik here would be the same guys that would go nuts in a mob. ******s. Did I also hear someone say Duran hand picked his opponents? You ****ing douche.

I think there's a 20% chance Kelly wins, but I respect this description nonetheless.

[slicksouthpaw16]

Not all his losses, Hagler-Hearns. I didn't see Hearns tired it the Leonard fight either, he was moving around alot and still jabbing, Leonard just used the right stratergy and pinned him against the ropes caught him with a MASSIVE left hook (i think) which only looked like it grazed and Tommy was almost out and then the stoppage came.

I think it was his chin that let him down really because he couldn't be outboxed by the best but he made mistakes and left his chin exposed which is a bad idea against the great fighters that he lost to.

When Hearns was staggered in the middle rounds, the tempo of the fight started to shift in Leonards favor. Leonard was slowy starting to break him down. He was going to the body more becuase Hearns stamina issues started to show and he couldn't counter effectively as he did in the earlier rounds. When Leonard finally started to make Hearns fight, Hearns had to spend more energy trying to keep Ray honest.

Also, rounds went by before Ray finally got to Tommy and stopped him. Hearns was staggered around the 8th, the stoppage came in the 14th.

[Ryn0]

When Hearns was staggered in the middle rounds, the tempo of the fight started to shift in Leonards favor. Leonard was slowy starting to break him down. He was going to the body more becuase Hearns stamina issues started to show and he couldn't counter effectively as he did in the earlier rounds. When Leonard finally started to make Hearns fight, Hearns had to spend more energy trying to keep Ray honest.

Also, rounds went by before Ray finally got to Tommy and stopped him. Hearns was staggered around the 8th, the stoppage came in the 14th.

I think it was more to do with Ray's body work than Hearns Stamina TBH.