IF the MARQUEZ BROS had Better CHINS/DEFENSE...

[Kball15]

RAFAEL would be up 1-1-1 in his all time great trilogy with VAZQUEZ

and JUAN MANUEL would be 1-0-1 against Pacquiao, avenging the controversial first fight.

Both fighters lost their last fight because they were knocked down. The KD cost them the fight on one of the cards in each fight

[warp1432]

Even with his chin, I think Marquez is 2-0 against Pacquiao and he more convincingly won the second fight. You would have an easier time arguing for Pacquiao in the first fight, then the second

[Silencers]

I had Pacquiao winning the second fight 114-113, knockdown won him the fight.

[kadyo's]

Hope this thread won't turn into another pac-jmm chicken and egg argument.

[warp1432]

Personally, I don't see how you could have given round 1 to Pacquiao, which was the sway round on pretty much everyone's card minus the knockdown.

[Silencers]

Personally, I don't see how you could have given round 1 to Pacquiao, which was the sway round on pretty much everyone's card minus the knockdown.

Marquez landed 1 good punch, Pacquiao won the rest of the round I thought.

There were only 4 clear rounds the whole fight though, 2 for each fighter.

[kadyo's]

Oh no, not again...

[Chups]

Marquez landed 1 good punch, Pacquiao won the rest of the round I thought.

Exactly! The judges + Lederman saw it that way too.

[Motofan]

RAFAEL would be up 1-1-1 in his all time great trilogy with VAZQUEZ

and JUAN MANUEL would be 1-0-1 against Pacquiao, avenging the controversial first fight.

Both fighters lost their last fight because they were knocked down. The KD cost them the fight on one of the cards in each fight

If Rafael wasnt moving up to fight a bigger guy, he would be 3-0. If Juan...oh wait, he won both of those fights.

[miron_lang]

Personally, I don't see how you could have given round 1 to Pacquiao, which was the sway round on pretty much everyone's card minus the knockdown.

You dont see how some gave it to pac?

Pacquiao doubled marquez's connect in that round.

JMM connected one head turning blow but pacquiao connected more shots. most of them on the body.

thats why. if you are more impressed by that one shot then fine. thats why we have 3 judges.