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  • ANDROID_DOES
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    #31
    Originally posted by JoartCC
    I'm not here to convince you dude.

    I'm here to use your excuses and empty questions as bullets for further highlighting my points.

    You're older than me so by now you should have realized that.

    You are but a tool. The more excuses you yap, the better I can shove it back using common sense and basic logic.

    For the benefit of other readers.

    Cotto may have won vacant titles. But even that is negligible. Cotto doesn't call himself better than SRR so harsh standards does not apply to him.

    That's common sense dude. Something you don't have that's why you continue to make idiotic arguments.

    Another common sense for you...

    Cotto beat Mosley and is now fighting Margarito, both are top guys at welter. Fighting Mosley and Margarito is a lot more dignified than fighting Baldomir or Judah. Even a shot DLH.

    Common sense again and basic logic.

    Greats beat other greats. The few names in Gayweather's resume that are elites re Castillo, who beat him once and hatton. And Hatton was a blown-up welter so not much of a credit there.

    Another common sense.

    Remember dude. I ask you to keep making excuses. I could care less if you think Gayweather is better than Robinson. Just make sure you post those sentiments on this forum so that I can properly shove them back.

    As always using common sense and basic logic.
    so what your saying is to be the champion and considered the best you have to beat the best???

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    • JoartCC
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      #32
      Originally posted by rogelio1289
      does urkal and gomez make cotto's resume better than flloyd's

      lol you are too easy man!!!!!! have a nice day im out of here. You've exposed yourself as a biased floyd hater with not much knowledge of anything when it comes to boxing.
      Why are you out of here?

      is it because you are getting cornered?

      I want more excuses?

      I want you to bluff more.

      Repeat doing things like say I said Hatton will beat gayweather when in fact I said Hatton is not the man who will test gayweather at welter.

      Repeat doing things like state Mosley avoided Gayweather when the latter said "I'm not fighting Mosley".

      Oh cmon!

      It's been months since I had an idiot Fake FLoyd fan who at the very least tries to make an effort.

      You've been an excellent tool so far.

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      • JoartCC
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        #33
        Originally posted by rogelio1289
        so what your saying is to be the champion and considered the best you have to beat the best???
        Are you an idiot or what?

        Why did you not post your excuses?

        You're useless to me unless you have your excuses ready.

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        • ANDROID_DOES
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          #34
          Originally posted by JoartCC
          I'm not here to convince you dude.

          I'm here to use your excuses and empty questions as bullets for further highlighting my points.

          You're older than me so by now you should have realized that.

          You are but a tool. The more excuses you yap, the better I can shove it back using common sense and basic logic.

          For the benefit of other readers.

          Cotto may have won vacant titles. But even that is negligible. Cotto doesn't call himself better than SRR so harsh standards does not apply to him.

          That's common sense dude. Something you don't have that's why you continue to make idiotic arguments.

          Another common sense for you...

          Cotto beat Mosley and is now fighting Margarito, both are top guys at welter. Fighting Mosley and Margarito is a lot more dignified than fighting Baldomir or Judah. Even a shot DLH.

          Common sense again and basic logic.

          Greats beat other greats. The few names in Gayweather's resume that are elites re Castillo, who beat him once and hatton. And Hatton was a blown-up welter so not much of a credit there.

          Another common sense.

          Remember dude. I ask you to keep making excuses. I could care less if you think Gayweather is better than Robinson. Just make sure you post those sentiments on this forum so that I can properly shove them back.

          As always using common sense and basic logic.
          do you know any of these fighters? tony pep, genero hernandez, diego corrales, jesus chavez, jose luis castillo, I didnt think so.

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          • Tha_Greatest
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            #35
            Originally posted by JoartCC
            Actually only the most idiotic of American critics will ever praise Fake Floyd after what he did.

            If you look at it, only American critics seem to give too much credit to Fake Floyd. Outside of that he's a nobody.

            Afterall the rest of the world probably still adhere to the saying that being the best means fighting the best.

            And Gayweather didn't do that.
            De La Hoya , before losing to Trinidad(which he really won Trinidad) had tougher career and fight opposition than Floyd in his whole career,

            Jorge Paez,
            Hector Camacho,
            Oba Carr,
            Pernell Whitaker,
            Julio Cesar Chavez(Twice),
            Rafael Ruelas,
            Arturo Gatti(Younger and Stronger Arturo than when Mayw. fought him),
            Jesse James Leija,
            Miguel Angel Gonzales,
            Ike Quartey,
            and he was the first to beat Genaro Hernandez

            If he retired after thise fights, he would be considered a hall of famer

            Oscars short fight legacy would be better than Floyds career with these fights but i wouldnt put Oscar in my top 25 based on this,

            only americans think of their american fighter Floyd as greatest after just 5 years of dodging guys and saying he wiped out devisions

            Oscar didnt dodge and he foght the Mosleys, Trinidads, Vargases, Hopkins, Mayorgas, and even way out of prime , he gave Mayweather a Split decision win which means Mayweather won but not in a decisive matter to a old man Oscar,

            Mayws. legacy will not be in my and many peeple minds as a top 35 guy of all time , he has to fight many top morefighters like the Cottos, Forrest, Margaritos, Mosleys(even), andetc. to really show his worth, Hes not taking the big fight risk so till then, Floyds a excellent wouldve couldveboxer but isnt considerthe best because he was afraid of the elite challengers
            Last edited by Tha_Greatest; 06-17-2008, 04:20 PM.

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            • ANDROID_DOES
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              #36
              what do you think about floyd's win against diego corrales?? Did you know he fought him once upon a time when diego was an undefeated top P4P fighter? Give me your thoughts on that fight......

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              • JoartCC
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                #37
                Originally posted by rogelio1289
                do you know any of these fighters? tony pep, genero hernandez, diego corrales, jesus chavez, jose luis castillo, I didnt think so.
                Corrales was a good fighter but not something that can be posted for a resume if you want to impress somebody.

                Sorry but that's not common sense. It's called deductive logic.

                Casttilo. Sure. I think he lost the first fight. Given that he wins both. Is there another name in his resume? At 135 the top dogs are Castillo, Freitas and Casamayor. With Casamayor on top.

                Hernandez, other names in his resume have been argued about and have been established by solid evidence as to why they're not as good a name to be put in a resume of an ATG.

                It's not my responsibility to educate you on everything old man idiot. Go dig some threads.

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                • JoartCC
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Tha_Greatest
                  De La Hoya , before losing to Trinidad(which he really won Trinidad) had tougher career and fight opposition than Floyd in his whole career,

                  Jorge Paez,
                  Hector Camacho,
                  Oba Carr,
                  Pernell Whitaker,
                  Julio Cesar Chavez(Twice),
                  Rafael Ruelas,
                  Arturo Gatti(Younger and Stronger Arturo than when Mayw. fought him),
                  Jesse James Leija,
                  Miguel Angel Gonzales,
                  Ike Quartey,
                  and he was the first to beat Genaro Hernandez

                  If he retired after thise fights, he would be considered a hall of famer

                  Oscars short fight legacy would be better than Floyds career with these fights but i wouldnt put Oscar in my top 25 based on this,

                  only americans think of their american fighter Floyd as greatest after just 5 years of dodging guys and saying he wiped out devisions

                  Oscar didnt dodge and he foght the Mosleys, Trinidads, Vargases, Hopkins, Mayorgas, and even way out of prime , he gave Mayweather a Split decision win which means Mayweather won but not in a decisive matter to a old man Oscar,

                  Mayws. legacy will not be in my and many peeple minds as a top 35 guy of all time , he has to fight many top morefighters like the Cottos, Forrest, Margaritos, Mosleys(even), andetc. to really show his worth, Hes not taking the big fight risk so till then, Floyds a excellent wouldve couldveboxer but isnt considerthe best because he was afraid of the elite challengers
                  Bravo!

                  Are you an American?

                  If so then you are exceptionally wise.

                  To sum it up an ATG has names on his resume which will stand the test of time.

                  Take for examply Pacquiao. Beating legends like Morales and Barrera and provided he continues to win against top opposition will solidify his claim as an ATG.

                  And it doesn't hurt that Muhammad Ali compared himself to Pacquiao.

                  If you look at it DLH career surpasses Gayweather very easily.

                  At the very least in DLH's resume there are a lot of HOF and guys which were considered the best.

                  Although DLH had his defeats those will do very little to hurt his legacy.

                  And it will be icing on the cake once DLH decides to fight Cotto as his last fight.

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                  • Tha_Greatest
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by JoartCC
                    Why are you out of here?

                    is it because you are getting cornered?

                    I want more excuses?

                    I want you to bluff more.

                    Repeat doing things like say I said Hatton will beat gayweather when in fact I said Hatton is not the man who will test gayweather at welter.

                    Repeat doing things like state Mosley avoided Gayweather when the latter said "I'm not fighting Mosley".

                    Oh cmon!

                    It's been months since I had an idiot Fake FLoyd fan who at the very least tries to make an effort.

                    You've been an excellent tool so far.
                    Its nice to work with tools

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                    • ANDROID_DOES
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by JoartCC
                      Corrales was a good fighter but not something that can be posted for a resume if you want to impress somebody.
                      (this dude don't know **** about what he is saying lol)
                      Sorry but that's not common sense. It's called deductive logic.

                      Casttilo. Sure. I think he lost the first fight. Given that he wins both. Is there another name in his resume? At 135 the top dogs are Castillo, Freitas and Casamayor. With Casamayor on top.

                      Hernandez, other names in his resume have been argued about and have been established by solid evidence as to why they're not as good a name to be put in a resume of an ATG.

                      It's not my responsibility to educate you on everything old man idiot. Go dig some threads.
                      You keep showing how little you know! btw im 26 =) anyways you put down corrales and then consider castillo a great so im guessing you didnt know corrales knocked out castillo eh

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