**** UFC

[pesticid]

If u put up a poll, what's more exciting striking or grappling? The results should be mind-boggling unless some hardcore MMA fans who despise boxing or kickboxing will just vote grappling out of spite.

[KING •]

every 15 year old with a computer wants to get online and talk about how Kimbo Slice "pwns"

All your base are belong to Kimbo...

[Kakutogi-Gumi]

All your base are belong to Kimbo...

...except the ones that count.

[sunthunder]

If u put up a poll, what's more exciting striking or grappling? The results should be mind-boggling unless some hardcore MMA fans who despise boxing or kickboxing will just vote grappling out of spite.

I do see your point, striking is more immediately engaging to the casual viewer, you're right. But I wouldn't rule out people's perception of grappling changing as time passes. In countries like Japan (around 2002 when MMA was really booming there) they would get a lot of casual viewers tune in to watch Pride shows, and it is in part because they have a tradition of grappling arts in Japan in the forms of Judo and Catch Wrestling, so they had a greater understanding for what they were seeing on tv. I think this could happen in the US too, though at probably a slower pace, as people will slowly become more educated about what they see.

[pesticid]

I do see your point, striking is more immediately engaging to the casual viewer, you're right. But I wouldn't rule out people's perception of grappling changing as time passes. In countries like Japan (around 2002 when MMA was really booming there) they would get a lot of casual viewers tune in to watch Pride shows, and it is in part because they have a tradition of grappling arts in Japan in the forms of Judo and Catch Wrestling, so they had a greater understanding for what they were seeing on tv. I think this could happen in the US too, though at probably a slower pace, as people will slowly become more educated about what they see.

True, but if you have to educate folk about grappling in order to make grappling look exciting you're already fighting a lost cause. You can educate people so they could have greater appreciation but how do you educate people to find smth more exciting, it's either there or not. And it's very hard to follow what's going on with the grappling especially if you're watching it live. TV's ok.

ps: Sumo and Judo are popular in japan and yes they are grappling sport but they are on your feet grappling sports.

[shadeyfizzle]

I do see your point, striking is more immediately engaging to the casual viewer, you're right. But I wouldn't rule out people's perception of grappling changing as time passes. In countries like Japan (around 2002 when MMA was really booming there) they would get a lot of casual viewers tune in to watch Pride shows, and it is in part because they have a tradition of grappling arts in Japan in the forms of Judo and Catch Wrestling, so they had a greater understanding for what they were seeing on tv. I think this could happen in the US too, though at probably a slower pace, as people will slowly become more educated about what they see.

I doubt that. It depends on culture and what they can relate to. Thats why there was a kungfu movie fad in the 70s in the US. Americans could relate to David Carradine wandering the wild west and Jim Kelly protecting Harlem from gangs but not even Jackie Chan could catch a break til the mid 90s

[pesticid]

I doubt that. It depends on culture and what they can relate to. Thats why there was a kungfu movie fad in the 70s in the US. Americans could relate to David Carradine wandering the wild west and Jim Kelly protecting Harlem from gangs but not even Jackie Chan could catch a break til the mid 90s

How about Bruce Lee. Americans loved him.

[pesticid]

...except the ones that count.

That choke, you can barely see what's happening and it's so boring it puts you to sleep.

[shadeyfizzle]

How about Bruce Lee. Americans loved him.

Not til after the poor bastard died. He was supposed to be the lead actor in both green hornet and kungfu. He pretty much wrote the screenplay 4 the entire series but they ****ed him in both cuz he wasnt white. His only blockbuster movie in the US was enter the dragon and he died months before it premiered in hollywood

[shadeyfizzle]

That choke, you can barely see what's happening and it's so boring it puts you to sleep.

You barely see knockouts in boxing the 1st time around. We usually wait 4 instant replay to figure out wtf happened. With a choke theres not much to figure out. Jam your forearm into the guy's throat, put all your weight into it and wait til the ref pulls you off or the guy taps out or dies