Best pound pound for pound superstar 2??????

**Silencers** · 06-16-2008, 04:50 AM

Robinson.......

**abadger** · 06-16-2008, 04:57 AM

I would say Robinson, but I'm taking that largely on trust from those who know more about boxing than me.

Of boxers I'm genuinely familiar with, Leonard is the best I've seen.

In the battle of ther modern era greats I think Mayweather is the best, although it would be Jones if he had fought more excellent competition and perhaps not moved up to HW, in which case I think he would have beaten Tarver and Johnson in his losses.

**slicksouthpaw16** · 06-16-2008, 05:01 AM

Originally posted by abadger

I would say Robinson, but I'm taking that largely on trust from those who know more about boxing than me.

Of boxers I'm genuinely familiar with, Leonard is the best I've seen.

In the battle of ther modern era greats I think Mayweather is the best, although it would be Jones if he had fought more excellent competition and perhaps not moved up to HW, in which case I think he would have beaten Tarver and Johnson in his losses.

I always say the exact same thing. If Jones had fought the best fighters and biggest punchers of his era, then we could make a strong case for him being close to a guy like Robinson, Leonard ect. He fought a few good names names like Toney, Hopkins ect, but avoided fighting the elite in his divisions and the best fighters that were around the time that he was. Calzaghe, Eubank, Benn, Nunn, Dariusz Michalczewski ect. He was one of the most skilled and talented guys to watch, but his resume was mostly picked guys that he knew he could beat.

**UnDeniable** · 06-16-2008, 05:08 AM

I believe that if they were all the same weight and were all in their primes

For example

Roy at 160
PBF at 130 etc
if they done a tournament then these would be the results P4P based on talent and head to head

7.Tito
6. Hopkins
5.Whitaker
4.PBF
3.SRL
2.SRR
1.RJJ

IMO Roy was the most talented boxer i have ever seen but i have never seen SRR at WW. If we are talking about Legacy then SRR is the greatest by a wide Margin only people close to his competition level are Ali, Duran and Armstrong

**Space_Bar** · 06-16-2008, 05:10 AM

1.Robinson
2.Leanord
3.Mayweather

**abadger** · 06-16-2008, 05:13 AM

Originally posted by slicksouthpaw16

I always say the exact same thing. If Jones had fought the best fighters and biggest punchers of his era, then we could make a strong case for him being close to a guy like Robinson, Leonard ect. He fought a few good names names like Toney, Hopkins ect, but avoided fighting the elite in his divisions and the best fighters that were around the time that he was. Calzaghe, Eubank, Benn, Nunn, Dariusz Michalczewski ect. He was one of the most skilled and talented guys to watch, but his resume was mostly picked guys that he knew he could beat.

Of the British guys you listed, Benn and Eubank, there is no doubt in my mind that they were amongst the best SMWs of the time, and definitely guys that Jones should really have fought. Calzaghe came a bit late for Jones at SMW IMO, but still the fight could have been made at some point.

Don't know that much about Nunn and Michaelczewski, but I do know Nunn was 36-0 and the champ by the time Toney got to him at MW(?) so he too is a guy Jones should have taken on. Michaelczewski too. The bottom line is that Jones was a real P4P talent and so beating guys like this should have been no problem. The problem is he didn't, even though they were all there for him. I'm not saying he ducked them or anything like that as I'm sure fighting Roy Jones wasn't too high on anyone's list of priorities, but no question he would have a much better record to go with his incredible talent had he beaten them all.

**slicksouthpaw16** · 06-16-2008, 05:21 AM

Originally posted by abadger

Of the British guys you listed, Benn and Eubank, there is no doubt in my mind that they were amongst the best SMWs of the time, and definitely guys that Jones should really have fought. Calzaghe came a bit late for Jones at SMW IMO, but still the fight could have been made at some point.

Don't know that much about Nunn and Michaelczewski, but I do know Nunn was 36-0 and the champ by the time Toney got to him at MW(?) so he too is a guy Jones should have taken on. Michaelczewski too. The bottom line is that Jones was a real P4P talent and so beating guys like this should have been no problem. The problem is he didn't, even though they were all there for him. I'm not saying he ducked them or anything like that as I'm sure fighting Roy Jones wasn't too high on anyone's list of priorities, but no question he would have a much better record to go with his incredible talent had he beaten them all.

I believe that Benn and Eubank would have presented Jones with the most problems. Benn becuase of his massive power and Eubank becuase of his thinking and boxing ability. Although i would have made Jones a favorite over both of them, they would have been his toughest tests. I think that problem was that Eubank didn't want to come to the U.S and Jones didn't want to come to the U.K. Jones had everything to lose. I am shocked that Jones/Benn didn't occu though. Benn has came over to the U.S plenty of times in his fights with Barkely, Dewitt ect and even called Jones out after his win over MCcellann.

**Silencers** · 06-16-2008, 05:24 AM

Originally posted by abadger

Of the British guys you listed, Benn and Eubank, there is no doubt in my mind that they were amongst the best SMWs of the time, and definitely guys that Jones should really have fought. Calzaghe came a bit late for Jones at SMW IMO, but still the fight could have been made at some point.

Don't know that much about Nunn and Michaelczewski, but I do know Nunn was 36-0 and the champ by the time Toney got to him at MW(?) so he too is a guy Jones should have taken on. Michaelczewski too. The bottom line is that Jones was a real P4P talent and so beating guys like this should have been no problem. The problem is he didn't, even though they were all there for him. I'm not saying he ducked them or anything like that as I'm sure fighting Roy Jones wasn't too high on anyone's list of priorities, but no question he would have a much better record to go with his incredible talent had he beaten them all.

Michael Nunn was a very good fighter, a smooth southpaw who had the tools to be great.

He was giving Toney all he could handle and was in fact ahead before Toney caught him, I don't think Nunn fully recovered from that loss, he also had the style to give Jones problems.

Anyways, I agree with you, Jones' resume could have been better but there is no denying his natural talent and ability.

**Sweet Peacock** · 06-16-2008, 05:25 AM

If this is based on skill, then i must agree with the above that Jones would have be the best talented wise. However if this is judging on accomplishments, then Robinson would have to be the man.

Sweet

Best pound pound for pound superstar 2??????