Most Overated Fighters of all Time

[oldgringo]

I agree it's possible Williams could get folded.. But in 2 rounds?

There's also a better than great possibility Cotto gets completely owned by Paul Williams.. Several different ways.


De La Hoya would beat the **** out of Cotto.

It would be worse than the Mayorga fight. Much worse.


I appreciate that you're very enthusiastic about Miguel.

But this "fan" stuff is what I was referring to..

Folded in two...like in two parts, or halves, or pieces.

Williams wouldn't be ****** enough to really bite down and attempt to knock Cotto out. He could simply outwork him if he were tough enough to withstand what Cotto brings, but I don't see it going that way.

De La Hoya is older now and he doesn't have nearly the passion for the sport that Cotto has. Cotto would hand Oscar a bad beating if Oscar couldn't stop him early.

Yes I'm a fan of Miguel Cotto. Why would one watch the sport otherwise...if they didn't have a favorite fighter or two to root for?

[jiml]

I dont know the answer to this. I think the question is not being answered honestly by most.

Delahoya, Pac, LL, Hopkins, tyson, Jones, ect are all very good fighters and while I may think LL got his name elevated beating 2 over the hill fighters, and anouther may think oscar feasted for a good part of his career on names coming up in weight or over the hill. Most over rated of all time is a tad bit harsh for any of these.

[Addison]

Folded in two...like in two parts, or halves, or pieces.

Williams wouldn't be ****** enough to really bite down and attempt to knock Cotto out. He could simply outwork him if he were tough enough to withstand what Cotto brings, but I don't see it going that way.

De La Hoya is older now and he doesn't have nearly the passion for the sport that Cotto has. Cotto would hand Oscar a bad beating if Oscar couldn't stop him early.
Yes I'm a fan of Miguel Cotto. Why would one watch the sport otherwise...if they didn't have a favorite fighter or two to root for?

That two.. I see.


Your analysis of De La Hoya is coming completely from your own perception and imagination. It's also highly specualtive of you to say what DLH's motivation level is. We don't know that.


Motivation?..

What does that mean anyway?...

If I'm highly motivated to beat Bernard Hopkins does that mean I can do it??

I'm a huge fan of myself.. But I'd have to favor Hopkins.. By brutal KO.

Miguel Cotto does not beat Oscar De La Hoya. Ever. At any point.


Regarding the "fan" thing I have to disagree there as well.

You do not have to have individual favorites to make the sport sexier..

I'm living proof.

[BmoreBrawler]

Floyd mayweather, the Rid**** Bowe of our time...

[oldgringo]

That two.. I see.


Your analysis of De La Hoya is coming completely from your own perception and imagination. It's also highly specualtive of you to say what DLH's motivation level is. We don't know that.


Motivation?..

What does that mean anyway?...

If I'm highly motivated to beat Bernard Hopkins does that mean I can do it??

I'm a huge fan of myself.. But I'd have to favor Hopkins.. By brutal KO.

Miguel Cotto does not beat Oscar De La Hoya. Ever. At any point.


Regarding the "fan" thing I have to disagree there as well.

You do not have to have individual favorites to make the sport sexier..

I'm living proof.

No it's not, you seem to want to take the high and mighty approach here, lets be real for a minute though.

I question Oscar's motivation because it seems that he only wishes to fight once a year, twice at the most. A hungry fighter who really wants to cement his legacy is going to seek out everything they can that'll help them get to the top. Couple this with Oscar's other activities and business interests, as well as with the fact that he hasn't fought at 147 in 6 years, and I think it's valid to question his motivation.

That parallel you draw between yourself/B Hop and Cotto/Oscar is humorous.

Regarding the "fan" thing you disagree? Don't tell me you are one of those, "but I'm just a fan of the sport" types. That's a crock in my opinion. That's a nice way to keep it safe.

Why would you choose Bernard Hopkins (who you have in your picture below there) to beat Winky Wright? Can you honestly say that your affinity towards Hopkins doesn't sway your choice at all? Surely you aren't the only one who can size up a fight without a shade of bias.

[Addison]

No it's not, you seem to want to take the high and mighty approach here, lets be real for a minute though.

I question Oscar's motivation because it seems that he only wishes to fight once a year, twice at the most. A hungry fighter who really wants to cement his legacy is going to seek out everything they can that'll help them get to the top. Couple this with Oscar's other activities and business interests, as well as with the fact that he hasn't fought at 147 in 6 years, and I think it's valid to question his motivation.

That parallel you draw between yourself/B Hop and Cotto/Oscar is humorous.

Regarding the "fan" thing you disagree? Don't tell me you are one of those, "but I'm just a fan of the sport" types. That's a crock in my opinion. That's a nice way to keep it safe.

Why would you choose Bernard Hopkins (who you have in your picture below there) to beat Winky Wright? Can you honestly say that your affinity towards Hopkins doesn't sway your choice at all? Surely you aren't the only one who can size up a fight without a shade of bias.

How often a fighter fights in no way affects his motivation once he signs to fight, starts training, or gets in the ring.

Again, you are speculating. Your whole response here is speculation..

All of it.


I have a picture of Hopkins in specific pose here with Arguello.

These are similiar poses, no?

I designed this to have the precise look it has.

I could have used ANY two fighters, and would have for my specific need.

It does not sway me in any sort of way.


I picked Judah over Cotto when I like Cotto much more than Judah. FYI.

[kayjay]

Overratedness is always subject to change, depending on how fashionable the fighter becomes at various times. Right now historically speaking Lennox Lewis is the most overrated fighter, since he has yet to be replaced. After him I'd say Ali, who struggled with way too many ordinary fighters to warrant his self-ascribed title of 'the greatest'.

DLH has been overrated, but now he's probably underrated. Tyson was astronomically overrated twenty years ago, but he's not anymore.

[Thunder Lips]

Dempsy's inability to conquer Tunney is a pretty big black eye for an all time great's resume, "long count" or not.

Marciano did beat Ezzard Charles twice, who was a really great fighter.

[oldgringo]

How often a fighter fights in no way affects his motivation once he signs to fight, starts training, or gets in the ring.

Again, you are speculating. Your whole response here is speculation..

All of it.


I have a picture of Hopkins in specific pose here with Arguello.

These are similiar poses, no?

I designed this to have the precise look it has.

I could have used ANY two fighters, and would have for my specific need.

It does not sway me in any sort of way.


I picked Judah over Cotto when I like Cotto much more than Judah. FYI.

You only addressed the portion about him fighting once a year, with no mention of my points that he has other distractions in his way, in addition to the fact that he hasn't fought at a weight this low in 6!!! years.

Inactivity can be a REAL killer. If you'd like to name all of those spectacular fighters who have been very successful fighting once a year then go ahead. It's not speculation, it's simply accounting for history.

You know I'll give you the benefit of the doubt as far as the whole Hopkins scenario goes. Makes no sense to try and prove otherwise.

As far as with Cotto/Judah, I just don't believe you. I can recall the majority of your posts calling for a brutal Judah knockout...almost sounding giddy over the idea. That's fine, just own up to it.

[Addison]

You only addressed the portion about him fighting once a year, with no mention of my points that he has other distractions in his way, in addition to the fact that he hasn't fought at a weight this low in 6!!! years.

Inactivity can be a REAL killer. If you'd like to name all of those spectacular fighters who have been very successful fighting once a year then go ahead. It's not speculation, it's simply accounting for history.

You know I'll give you the benefit of the doubt as far as the whole Hopkins scenario goes. Makes no sense to try and prove otherwise.

As far as with Cotto/Judah, I just don't believe you. I can recall the majority of your posts calling for a brutal Judah knockout...almost sounding giddy over the idea. That's fine, just own up to it.

I addressed it. I stated that the motivation comes when a fighter signs, trains, and steps between the ropes.

You address that. Address my points.

Innactivity is a real killer. But not for EVERY fighter.

You have heard of exceptions, yes?


Regarding Hopkins:

Interestingly, it was you, OG, who planted the first seeds for many people here on the forum advocating a Hopkins victory.

I remember your first post on the subject months ago. It was a very strong argument and one few could or should disagree with..

You have Hopkins to beat Wright. Just like I do.


The tone of your debate becomes a little contentious and emotional when you get pressured however.. That's dissapointing.


I'll be waiting for Cotto's next fight so we can put an end to this.

I hope it's not someone like Mosley or Mayweather so there are no excuses.

I prefer Miguel fights someone like Margarito, or even Gomez so people really get the message.