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Calzaghe Turns Down Kelly Pavlik, Wants Roy Jones
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Originally posted by Queen_Leia View PostI love Jones but he has been exposed....Pavlik (who sucks TREMENDOUSLY) need to be expose as well....
Joe should whoop on that boy for an easy payday...and to bring that idiot Arum back to reality!!!!
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You know, I will give Jones more of a chance than Hopkins had just because he has a higher workrate. Even though I think Hopkins even though he was older had more left in the tank than Jones does. Hopkins never has had a busy style and Calzaghe is a volume puncher and its hard to beat someone even if your landing clean effective punches if your getting outlanded 20-10 per round.
Still boggles my mind though. Jones does offer more money maybe, but a Pavlik fight would bring more excitement. I honestly suffered through Calzaghe/Hopkins, it was boring. I really dont want to see Calzaghe vs another old fighter.
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This guy is so full of ****! Lockett and dad reported that Pavlik was serious so now he wants 2 go back up in Age 2 fight Roy. This is how you manage a career. Take the least amount of risk as OBVIOUSLY possible and package it as if you are doing the fans a favor. This guy is a fraud and I fear that he may get away with it when his career is finally over!
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Calzaghe has wasted his career fighting bums in the UK. He has never risked anything. His period was the 90s, where he turned down Jones Junior, Steve Collins, Toney, Tarver etc. Turning down the Jones, Toney, Tarver and Johnson fights because he didn't want to fight abroad, dodging the top american super-middleweights - Jones Junior, Hopkins, Toney, Tarver, Johnson. He has managed to go 15 years without getting in the ring with Jones Junior, Hopkins, Toney, Glen Johnson, Tarver, Jermaine Taylor. You kind of forget to mention the entire 1990s, where Calzaghe dodged 2 fights with Hopkins, 2 with Jones Jnr, 1 with Glenn Johnson and 1 with Steve Collins. Calzaghe has dominated a terrible division, and hasn't beat any of its top fighters in the last ten years (Jones Jr, Tarver, Toney, Hopkins, Johnson). Tarver, Glenn Johnson, James Toney and Roy Jones were all fighting at Super Middle until 2002. They were the class of the division, and Joe didn't get in the ring with any of them. Your kind of forgetting that he hasn't fought any of the top middle/super middleweight fighters of his generation. James Toney, Glenn Johnson, Antonio Tarver, Hopkins, Jermaine Taylor, Roy Jones and the fact that Joe C ducked absoultey every contender of the 90s. Jones, Tarver, Johnson, Toney etc. He spent his 20s and early 30s fighting trash, when he should have been over in America, chasing Toney, Hopkins, Jones, Tarver, Johnson, Taylor. Everyone knows that Calzaghe has missed/ducked every viable fight that has been available in the last 15 years. From middle to Light Heavy- they were all there for years. It's only maybe 2003-present that he has been interested in fighting anyone!
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Originally posted by Trevbutler View PostYou know, I will give Jones more of a chance than Hopkins had just because he has a higher workrate. Even though I think Hopkins even though he was older had more left in the tank than Jones does. Hopkins never has had a busy style and Calzaghe is a volume puncher and its hard to beat someone even if your landing clean effective punches if your getting outlanded 20-10 per round.
Still boggles my mind though. Jones does offer more money maybe, but a Pavlik fight would bring more excitement. I honestly suffered through Calzaghe/Hopkins, it was boring. I really dont want to see Calzaghe vs another old fighter.
This post is a lot better, you seem to really want a Pavlik matchup, as do many which is leading to a kinda angry biased, subjective reaction.
And dude, Joe will nearly be 37, Roy 40 when they fight, it's only a few years, seriously.
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Originally posted by KrisSilver View PostI objectively pointed out why most think Calzaghe will beat Pavlik easier than Roy backing it up with factual points which is more than you've done. You quote a snippet of that most saying Roy had attributes, lol, it's clear I meant has, and this is the best you had, picking out one word, a spelling mistake, but skipping and not challenging the numerous other backed up points?
It's been explained to you Calzaghe would have no reason for ducking Pavlik, he's openly said he wants dangerous fights to get motivated for and perform his best, example being Kessler to name just one. He's old himself and only wants top fights. He and many see Roys attributes and style more of a challenge to over come, and many agree. They are a bigger weapon against Joe than Pavlik. Roy and Joe are only a few years apart and both past they're prime. He's always said he wanted Roy, known Kelly's dangerous for ages like all of us, and said he's willing to fight him if Roy deal doesn't come through. Clearly it has, Kelly beating some chump changes nothing.
Your proving my statement, that you've hardly spent any time looking into the details of anything you speak of, and just subjectively rant based on hunches that suite your local agenda.
I really think you have not seen him in a long time.
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Originally posted by seebert View PostI agree. I heard Calzaghe wants to wait until Pavlik is better known and until he turns 35. Seriously, Calzaghe's great but he does not want any of Pavlik. I also believe Jones (who will probably lose) will show him a thing or too, like Hopkins did. Joe looked scared after the first round. He was lucky to get that decision. It could have gone either way.It's too early for Pav to ask fore a fight like that when he is unproven in some people's eyes. Boxers say fighters have to pay their dues. I know many of you are disappointed, but Pav has to prove himself more imo. He isn't insulting Pav, he is saying prove yourself, then we'll fight.
Lets face it even max kellerman said it himself Pavlik is the GODZILLA of the middlweight division and was willing to move up to fight Joe.
How can Joe say he thinks Pavlik doesnt want to fight him? This is a bad copout.
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